Occupy protests go from peace to "chaos"

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At least he used union workers to film and produce his documentaries…

What…he didn’t…he used non union…

What a Hypocrite!!! I am do disappointed in him now…

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It seems as if the OWS crowd support plenty of people and companies that are part of the one-percent (think Apple, cell phones, pda’s, notebooks and tablet, etc.).

I wonder if the OWS crowd is aware that people on the right give much more to the poor and to charitable causes (freely of their own choice), than do those on the left…wouldn’t that mean that people on the right are actually following Matthew 25 much more closely than those on the left?
 
It seems as if the OWS crowd support plenty of people and companies that are part of the one-percent (think Apple, cell phones, pda’s, notebooks and tablet, etc.).

I wonder if the OWS crowd is aware that people on the right give much more to the poor and to charitable causes (freely of their own choice), than do those on the left…wouldn’t that mean that people on the right are actually following Matthew 25 much more closely than those on the left?
not unless you count the billions (trillions?) that are confiscated by the government in the name of charity, in which case the left has the right outdone by a large margin.
 
The left is a big fan of “charity by force of government”. They consider the confiscation of money in the form of income tax and distribution in the form of entitlement program to be a form of charity. All one has to do is comply with the govenment policy with a cheery disposition and it “counts” as your Christian charity. 🤷
 
The left is a big fan of “charity by force of government”. They consider the confiscation of money in the form of income tax and distribution in the form of entitlement program to be a form of charity. All one has to do is comply with the govenment policy with a cheery disposition and it “counts” as your Christian charity. 🤷
Except for the fact that many of them, even the Christian ones, would prefer you take the word Chrisian out of Christian charity. It violates their personal seperation of Church and State policy.
 
The left is a big fan of “charity by force of government”. They consider the confiscation of money in the form of income tax and distribution in the form of entitlement program to be a form of charity. All one has to do is comply with the govenment policy with a cheery disposition and it “counts” as your Christian charity. 🤷
Ahh–got it now. I agree…yet I cannot see that sort of charity spoken of in Scripture. Can you?
 
Mary Beth Hicks called the OWS protesters in a TV interview, “the first generation of American Socialists.” She says that the have been so inundated with leftist views from the day of their birth, from every aspect of the pop culture and their educators, that they have essentially heard only one note from the choir and have never been educated in matters of civics or civic virtue.
 
What do you think about the occupy movement?
Is it OK for a catholic to join/support them?
Not that I am interested, but I noticed that they are based close to my work and I just started to wonder what the Cathlolic point of view is.
 
Mary Beth Hicks called the OWS protesters in a TV interview, “the first generation of American Socialists.” She says that the have been so inundated with leftist views from the day of their birth, from every aspect of the pop culture and their educators, that they have essentially heard only one note from the choir and have never been educated in matters of civics or civic virtue.
Ever wonder why they are called the “Echo Boomers”?

Too young to know what socialism did to the billions of people. Too self indulgent to care.
 
What do you think about the occupy movement?
Is it OK for a catholic to join/support them?
Not that I am interested, but I noticed that they are based close to my work and I just started to wonder what the Cathlolic point of view is.
Seems to depend on which Catholic you ask.
 
Mary Beth Hicks called the OWS protesters in a TV interview, “the first generation of American Socialists.” She says that the have been so inundated with leftist views from the day of their birth, from every aspect of the pop culture and their educators, that they have essentially heard only one note from the choir and have never been educated in matters of civics or civic virtue.
One cannot escape liberal thought. For example, all of the following are substantially left leaning:

*** Public schools.

*** Television broadcast channels. Other channels like MTV, CNN, etc.

*** Most (85%+) of all major city newspapers.

*** The music industry.

*** The Hollywood film/movie industry.

*** Universities and colleges.

A person living in the USA cannot escape left thought, it permeates nearly all aspects of life. A conservative has a very difficult challenge remaining conservative because all major information, entertainment, educational, and news outlets are left leaning. Liberals can create a world in which all they are exposed to is liberal thought (conservatives can never do that). Liberals can, and often do, create such worlds to wrap themselves in the comfort of their own views and they are quite often shocked when they learn that there are other (and quite substantial) views of the world that are contrary to their own liberal worldview. Liberals rarely ever understand why conservatives think as they do because they just have not been exposed to very much conservative thought.

Conservatives have: talk radio, and Fox News! It is amazing that so many people remain conservative within this liberal world the USA has become.
 
I like Dave Ramsey’s take on it:

Dave’s Take on Occupy Wallstreet

I don’t think there’s anything immoral about this protest, but I honestly don’t see the good coming from it.
I love Dave Ramsey. He has a no-nonsense, simple way of breaking things down and explaining economics. His Total Money Makeover changed (for the better) my wife and my relationship. and I agree with his sentiment exactly.
 
I think it is good to support this movement. It is about increasing the quality of life for the “99%” of people out there.

Catholic social teaching states that whatever policy does the greatest good for the most people is the preferable policy. Although this movement does not seem to have any specific policy its advocating yet, I think there is a worthy sentiment behind the movement that is, so far, worthy of support.
 
I think it is good to support this movement. It is about increasing the quality of life for the “99%” of people out there.

Catholic social teaching states that whatever policy does the greatest good for the most people is the preferable policy. Although this movement does not seem to have any specific policy its advocating yet, I think there is a worthy sentiment behind the movement that is, so far, worthy of support.
Can you show us this? I am quite sure that there is nothing that breaks it down quite this simplistically. There are other considerations, such as the sanctity of life, subsidiarity, right of property, that are strong considerations with regard to “policy that does the most good for the most people”.
 
I think it is good to support this movement. It is about increasing the quality of life for the “99%” of people out there.

I don’t support this movement at all. They are going after the wrong people. It is the politictians who caused all this money stuff to happen. They are the ones who made it all legal, from Fannie and Freddie to TARP. It’s the Congress who passed the laws and the President who signed them into effect. Go to DC you nitwits, that’s where the real problem is.
 
I like Dave Ramsey’s take on it:

Dave’s Take on Occupy Wallstreet

I don’t think there’s anything immoral about this protest, but I honestly don’t see the good coming from it.
I agree with some of this, but what are people supposed to do when they are too ill/disabled to work and they have been denied health insurance and often, can’t find a place to live? Or they go bankrupt b/c they don’t have health insurance and someone gets in a car crash or is seriously ill.

The fact is, raising a child with cerebral palsy or down syndrome is expensive and the solution is not always “you can go get a job.” However I find writeups like this tend to assume people are able-bodied and healthy. If you’re not, what are you supposed to do? And I have a low opinion of Michael Moore b/c in his supposedly “hard-hitting” documentary, he ignored the problem of mental illness and its lack of treatment including the closing of most psychiatric hospitals and denial of treatment by insurance companies.

I’m genuinely asking this question and I don’t want to be hostile. It also is not good for people with disabilities to sit at home and do nothing if they can go to school or work, the problem is many people are considered unemployable by companies due to the expense, and often the inability of the disabled person to consistently work a 40 hour week. So someone who can work 10 or 20 hours may end up doing nothing b/c the jobs (that are accessible) are not there. It’s not good for people to get the message that they can’t contribute or do anything, but what happens when no one’s hiring? Or the jobs that are available are not physically possible?

Does anyone know of any solid program that helps disabled people figure this stuff out (school and employment decisions) or do they have to work it out individually?

edited to add:

Ramsey says:
This is the greatest country on the planet, but even here, you’re not guaranteed wealth, talent, fame, a full head of hair or six-pack abs. Those things are not in the Constitution. You are, however, guaranteed the freedom to make your life what you want it to be. And when you do that, when you build your life around your dreams and passions and hard work, you’re guaranteed the right to keep it. No one has the right to take it away from you.
This makes me think he’s never spent much time around the severely mentally ill and seen the rejection they get b/c other people fear them. That includes getting fired from jobs, or not hired in the first place, b/c of problems with psychosis, even if you are in treatment and taking medication. It also includes the stigma that says the mentally ill are violent, even though violence is much more associated with substance abuse like alcoholism and other drugs. Many people with mental illness abuse alcohol and drugs but not everyone, and those who don’t often end up with the same stigma.

I genuinely don’t think however it’s good for people to sit at home their whole lives and be told they are worth nothing. The question is, who can hire? - and if this is OT maybe I should start another thread.
 
I don’t support this movement at all. They are going after the wrong people. It is the politictians who caused all this money stuff to happen. They are the ones who made it all legal, from Fannie and Freddie to TARP. It’s the Congress who passed the laws and the President who signed them into effect. Go to DC you nitwits, that’s where the real problem is.
It’s too confusing to figure who is to “blame.” The politicians? Yes. The CEO;s? Yes. Sometimes those two parties are one and the same! Also consider past politicians, advisors, and whoever else contributed towards a “corporate culture of gratuitous greed.” What about the CEO that was held the position last year? Or the congressman who was elected 8 years ago? The responsible parties are too many to count throughout the years.

Protest on the steps of the Capital? Ok. Also at the bank headquarters? Appropriate. As close to the CEO’s houses as they can legally get? Fine. But all split up at all these locations? Ineffective.

The people should gather wherever they can…wherever they can get the most people who might join them to join. Wherever will make a statement.

I’m not part of the protest or anything, but I don’t think they are protesting a specific person or policy. They are protesting an idea and an aspect of our culture. Wall Street might seem like the wrong place to gather…but it’s not too far off the mark. Close enough. 🙂
 
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