Occupy protests go from peace to "chaos"

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Nobody should contact the police? I guess not–that might interfere with the anarchy.
Having listened to the entire video I am amazed at the hearing of those who posted it…guess I missed something Gilliam.

In any case, this would be a weak testimony for chaos, which was the title of the thread.

Disappointed Gilliam,

John
 
Having listened to the entire video I am amazed at the hearing of those who posted it…guess I missed something Gilliam.

In any case, this would be a weak testimony for chaos, which was the title of the thread.

Disappointed Gilliam,

John
They were instructing the crowd not to report any rapes to the police because that would be squealing on their own and put a negative light on their movement. “Survivor” is their term for someone who has been raped.

So far we have TB, riots, shootings, suicides, lice infestations, drug overdoses, throwing blood and urine on street vendors when they don’t give them free food, vandalism, rapes and cover ups of rapes. Sounds like chaos to me.
 
Yeah, the two recent shootings in Vermont and Oakland, have nothing to do with the OWS protest.
Earlier, police distributed eviction notices to campers at Occupy Oakland. The move comes one day after a man – whose name has not been released by police – was shot and killed after an apparent fight near the Occupy Oakland tent city. The mayor and other city leaders are stepping up calls for the camp to disband.

Oakland: 7:45 p.m. Shooting suspect had been living in camp, police say

One of the men being sought in connection with Thursday’s shooting death near Frank Ogawa Plaza was a frequent resident of the camp, Oakland police said in a newly issued news release. Occupiers have said the shooting was unrelated to the camp. Here’s the full text of the OPD release:

"On Nov. 10, 2011, at 4:57 p.m., the Oakland Police Department responded to the 1400 block of Broadway on a report of a shooting. When officers arrived on scene, they located a male adult African American victim believed to be in his 20s, who was suffering from a gunshot wound. The victim was transported to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead.

Oakland Police Department Major Crimes Section Investigators were called to the scene. The identity of the victim is being withheld pending the notification of next of kin.
Oakland Police Department Major Crimes Section investigators report that witnesses state the suspect was a frequent resident at the Frank Ogawa Plaza for the past several days. He is described as a male African-American, 20-25 years old, 5’9," 150 lbs, with short hair. He was wearing a white T-shirt. A second suspect is described as a male African American, in his 20s to 30s, 5’9" to 5’11," 250 lbs, long dreadlocks with red tips, possibly with a tattoo on the back of his neck. He was wearing a black hooded sweatshirt.

The Oakland Police Department and Crime Stoppers of Oakland are offering a reward of up to $10,000 for information leading to an arrest and conviction in this case.

This investigation is ongoing and anyone with information is asked to contact the Oakland Police Department Major Crimes, Section 1, Team 3, at 510-238-3529."

Oakland: 8:30 p.m. Campers destroy eviction notices

Every last one of the 200 eviction notices handed out earlier have been destroyed by angry campers.
Here is the full text of the notice:

"Persons staying overnight in Frank Ogawa Plaza

Date: November 11, 2011
Notice of violations and demand to cease violations. This notice supersedes all previous notices.

The City of Oakland and its police department support and protect the right of all individuals to engage in free speech and their right to assemble. However, this encampment is a violation of the law.

You do not have permission to lodge overnight in Frank Ogawa Plaza. You must remove all tents, sleeping bags, tarps, cooking facilities and equipment and any other lodging material from the Plaza immediately. Your continued use of the Plaza for overnight lodging will subject you to arrest.

Your activities are injurious to health, obstruct the free use of property, interfering with the comfortable enjoyment of the Plaza, and unlawfully obstruct the free passage or use of a public park or square.

(California Penal Code sections 370 and 647(e) and Civil Code section 3479.) You must allow all persons, including Oakland Police officers and other emergency personnel, access to all areas of the Plaza at all times.

You are making fires in a public park in violation of OMC 12.64.160. You must remove all barbecues and stoves.

Your continued violation of these laws will subject you to administrative penalties, civil penalties, citation, and immediate arrest. Your continued violation of the law will subject your tents, stoves, sleeping bags, tarps, and any other belongings left in the plaza to immediate removal from the plaza by the city of Oakland."

Also Friday, a group has sent a message on Twitter that they want to make it a “Night of 1,000 masks” and is urging people to show up at 9 p.m. at the camp. One person has been spotted with a mask.

insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_19315179

Looks like this will end badly.
 
As far as I’m concerned they can stay out their to their hearts content. However these camps without a doubt attract all the street people. I can’t imagine their’s not the constant temptation of crime, in one form or another. Especially when we are talking citys like Oakland, Boston, NYC. They are already high crime areas.
 
There is kind of a catch-22 in disbanding these groups. On one hand, failure to disband these groups will result in violations of property rights at the bare minimum, possibly increased crime across the board. On the other hand, disbanding them will make martyrs of the injured and arrested and might draw a greater following. I think the most peaceful solution is to make the conditions unlivable in the parks and on the streets so that they will be encouraged to move on. A harsh winter would be welcome in this regard. Perhaps dispersal of OC, or sonic disruption might be more effective than shields, batons and handcuffs.
 
while most people here use religious flags, u chosed a political flag. did you not read the last statement that im also a loving person?
You may be a very good Christian. However, I’m not getting the impression Bible studys, prayer vigils, and Sunday Mass are the high on the list of OWS priority. As a matter of fact I have never heard one Christian message publically from OWS. The constant clamor is Free, Free, Free.

I’ve heard the Bible verse’s thrown around “here” about Jesus and the poor, etc etc etc.

I have seen many who come here and try to appeal to Catholics/Christianity with the OWS agenda. However there appears to be glaring diffference in that message and what in truth is happening at the OWS camps.

To me it seems like a poor act of deception. Should we pray for OWS? Of course, I would assume no-one is looking for anarchy to prevail, well maybe a few misguided individuals who need medication and counseling at OWS.

Point being the Hail-Mary thinking doesn’t seem to be the reality of OWS. 🤷 So how does one seperate political/religious when OWS is political and not religious? Pro-LIfe, No Abortion, Promoting religious freedom isn’t on the OWS agenda??? In fact it sounds about as anti-religious as one could possible get. And I haven’t seen any footage to indicate otherwise.

Peace
 
Point being the Hail-Mary thinking doesn’t seem to be the reality of OWS. 🤷 So how does one seperate political/religious when OWS is political and not religious? Pro-LIfe, No Abortion, Promoting religious freedom isn’t on the OWS agenda??? In fact it sounds about as anti-religious as one could possible get. And I haven’t seen any footage to indicate otherwise.
Perhaps je333, or someone else would care to provide a news story that demonstrates the charitable side of the OWS movement.
 
Nobody should contact the police? I guess not–that might interfere with the anarchy.
ROFL! 👍
There is kind of a catch-22 in disbanding these groups. On one hand, failure to disband these groups will result in violations of property rights at the bare minimum, possibly increased crime across the board. On the other hand, disbanding them will make martyrs of the injured and arrested and might draw a greater following. I think the most peaceful solution is to make the conditions unlivable in the parks and on the streets so that they will be encouraged to move on. A harsh winter would be welcome in this regard. Perhaps dispersal of OC, or sonic disruption might be more effective than shields, batons and handcuffs.
We don’t have to do anything. Erect a fence or other barrier around the perimeter of their encampments to keep them contained, leave them to their petulant merrymaking, and wait for sub-freezing temperatures.

Officer Winter will do more to break up this frat party than anything else, trust me.
 
By their fruits you shall know them. This tree bears an appalling array of bad fruit, rape, robbery, murder, disease, vandalism and the biggest mess in recent memory. The media coverage in the usual venues has been deceitful. Little is mentioned as to the sources of financial support for this coast to coast event, and only when impossible to ignore are criminal acts reported. These people are not living on the fetid air. Who is buying the wine for the lips chanting the party line, Soros, SEIU, or maybe the DNC? Of course, I generalize. There are surely sincere but misguided souls among the revolutionary rabble but they are irrelevant to the principle purposes of those who fund the OWS movement. The next phase will be either a good old fashioned winter storm or the mayors finding a belated interest in public health and safety. I’m betting on the weather.
 
I suspect that many of the OWS groups are hoping to use civil disobedience and violence to incite a strong police backlash. That will give them the ability to flood the media with videos of “police brutality” and possibly provide a campaign issue.
 
You may be a very good Christian. However, I’m not getting the impression Bible studys, prayer vigils, and Sunday Mass are the high on the list of OWS priority. As a matter of fact I have never heard one Christian message publically from OWS. The constant clamor is Free, Free, Free.
I’ve heard the Bible verse’s thrown around “here” about Jesus and the poor, etc etc etc.

I have seen many who come here and try to appeal to Catholics/Christianity with the OWS agenda. However there appears to be glaring diffference in that message and what in truth is happening at the OWS camps.

To me it seems like a poor act of deception. Should we pray for OWS? Of course, I would assume no-one is looking for anarchy to prevail, well maybe a few misguided individuals who need medication and counseling at OWS.

Point being the Hail-Mary thinking doesn’t seem to be the reality of OWS. ]So how does one seperate political/religious when OWS is political and not religious?Pro-LIfe, No Abortion, Promoting religious freedom isn’t on the OWS agenda??? In fact it sounds about as anti-religious as one could possible get. And I haven’t seen any footage to indicate otherwise. I have seen many footages and pictures here on the internet.

Peace

I am not sure how your local area news cover the movement but where i am from, i’ve seen on the news many times that there are many people protesting and quoting biblical messages and with Christian messages in a very peaceful manner.

Appeal? Agenda? I don’t put it that way. I care for them as brothers and sisters as well as the tea partier protesters. I don’t like bashing. I see jesus’ in them.

I have never attended the OWS but I’ve seen many people medidating and praying
 
Good afternoon, all,

I’ve often wondered if Occupy Wall Street were a counter-revolution backed by socialist interests against the Tea Parties’ continuation of our 1776 Revolution?

FYI, I’m an unaffiliated registered voter who doesn’t belong to any political organization except our Holy Roman Catholic Church. Which, should rely on the Holy Spirit instead of different governments, to do God’s work, imho.

God loves all of you, lurkers, too,
Don
 
Pro-LIfe, No Abortion, Promoting religious freedom??

Peace
What makes you think they don’t and what stops you in going there with your own messages??? 99% compose of most Americans, Conservatives, Liberals, middle class, rich, poor, democrats, republicans, religious and non religious alike. I would join you if you want and we can both hold a Pro-Life banners, Protection of marriage and march which show our Christian faith. We can pray the rosary together with our Legion of Mary banners if you want. We can even wave the Tea Party flag if you want…

I will support Peace rally but not Anti War, Pro life but not Anti Abortion, Gay rights but not same sex marriage…
:hmmm::hmmm:

OWS are aiming at Wall Street(financial)/Banks, but that does not mean that some people there are not Catholic Christians who support Pro Life, Protection of Marriage, etc? Sometimes, we are quick to judge that these protestors are “liberals” and as conservatives we must therefore be against or vice versa. Why is it like this? :confused::confused: Do you know?
 
I haven’t seen the links, you refering to. I believe thats what I was asking about above. I only know what I see on local news NECN, since I grew in Boston and live 40-minutes from NYC today, None of it has been good. Do you have any of this links with Rosarys and Our Lady’s banners? I must have missed that channel on the news?

Do I want to start a campaign with you? Ya never know, maybe when this finally coagulates. Right now its appears like aberrant thinking. Your saying this exists, I’m asking where? Haven’t seen it?

No one’s judging you, you can protest all you want far as I’m concerned. I believe what we are missing is the cohesive message. And frankly the only problem I see with the Constitution is Obama. But the flip side of the coin is that Freedom of Speech is also the right to speak against OWS:shrug:

Here let me show you what I mean with your own words…

“I will support Peace rally but not Anti War, Pro life but not Anti Abortion, Gay rights but not same sex marriage”

So…what exactly are you saying?

Here’s another statement of yours…

“have to totally disagree with you to politicize once religious beliefs. It is called Fundamentalism/Nazism. I don’t want to see our country becoming like IRAN!”

So lets take a look at some OWS links…

The Neo Nazi movement has already been connected with OWS perhaps you missed the links and the recent NYC news anti semitic slogans in Brooklyns Jewish community? With Nazi SS slogans painted around the area? Car fire bombings?

google.com/url?q=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/3-cars-set-on-fire-as-more-swastikas-turn-up-in-brooklyn-looks-like-a-war-zone/&sa=U&ei=H_2-TsOQOofg0QHIx8y_BA&ved=0CBUQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHXxs3CoIpM9iDXKWr969GCc_FZQA

google.com/url?q=http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/grand-wizard-of-the-kkk-endorses-ows-neo-nazis-patrol-occupyphoenix-with-ar-15s-media-silent/&sa=U&ei=y_2-Tv2OCqbW0QG84pHiBA&ved=0CBUQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEMcJ8kxxGH1UPUw2fUmF8QiDxOXQ

google.com/url?q=http://www.americanpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D106%26t%3D15449&sa=U&ei=y_2-Tv2OCqbW0QG84pHiBA&ved=0CBcQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNHk4gIZzpX8U7UDVPC8h9sogYL3Xg

The onlys one mixing their social agenda with politics and religion…by your own words? And the current news links, is OWS. And those links seem pretty much aligned with Irans theory of world peace…Just saying? Probly propaganda hey???

Re-read your posts. 🤷
 
I haven’t seen the links, you refering to. I believe thats what I was asking about above. I only know what I see on local news NECN, since I grew in Boston and live 40-minutes from NYC today, None of it has been good. Do you have any of this links with Rosarys and Our Lady’s banners? I must have missed that channel on the news?

Where did you see me say anything about me seeing people praying with rosaries with our lady banners? I asked you if you want to join me and pray the rosaries together with our lady banner.

Do I want to start a campaign with you? Ya never know, maybe when this finally coagulates. Right now its appears like aberrant thinking. Your saying this exists, I’m asking where? Haven’t seen it?

No one’s judging you, you can protest all you want far as I’m concerned. I believe what we are missing is the cohesive message. And frankly the only problem I see with the Constitution is Obama.
WOW

But the flip side of the coin is that Freedom of Speech is also the right to speak against OWS:shrug:

I AGREE WITH YOU

I am only protesting about bashing people. That’s all I care.

Here let me show you what I mean with your own words…

“I will support Peace rally but not Anti War, Pro life but not Anti Abortion, Gay rights but not same sex marriage”

So…what exactly are you saying?

:D:D:D

Here’s another statement of yours…

“have to totally disagree with you to politicize once religious beliefs. It is called Fundamentalism/Nazism. I don’t want to see our country becoming like IRAN!”

So lets take a look at some OWS links…

The Neo Nazi movement has already been connected with OWS perhaps you missed the links and the recent NYC news anti semitic slogans in Brooklyns Jewish community? With Nazi SS slogans painted around the area? Car fire bombings?

This is not connected with OWS

google.com/url?q=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/3-cars-set-on-fire-as-more-swastikas-turn-up-in-brooklyn-looks-like-a-war-zone/&sa=U&ei=H_2-TsOQOofg0QHIx8y_BA&ved=0CBUQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHXxs3CoIpM9iDXKWr969GCc_FZQA

Not connected with the OWS

google.com/url?q=http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/grand-wizard-of-the-kkk-endorses-ows-neo-nazis-patrol-occupyphoenix-with-ar-15s-media-silent/&sa=U&ei=y_2-Tv2OCqbW0QG84pHiBA&ved=0CBUQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEMcJ8kxxGH1UPUw2fUmF8QiDxOXQ

EXTREMISTS tarnishing the movement

google.com/url?q=http://www.americanpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D106%26t%3D15449&sa=U&ei=y_2-Tv2OCqbW0QG84pHiBA&ved=0CBcQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNHk4gIZzpX8U7UDVPC8h9sogYL3Xg

EXTREMISTS tarnishing the moveent.

YOU ACTUALLY READ THESE STUFF?

The onlys one mixing their social agenda with politics and religion…by your own words? And the current news links, is OWS. And those links seem pretty much aligned with Irans theory of world peace…Just saying? Probly propaganda hey???

Re-read your posts. 🤷
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Originally Posted by Darryl1958
Have you any evidence that the media reports about the level of violence and disruption and police confrontations are not being correctly reported?
Yeah, the two recent shootings in Vermont and Oakland, have nothing to do with the OWS protest.

Jim
pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/11/11/occupy-oakland-murder-victim-was-in-fact-an-ows-protester-and-camper/

Madea Williams, who said she was the shooting victim’s cousin, said he had shared a tent with her at the camp.

Police have not released the man’s name, but said he appeared to be in his 20s. Williams said his first name was Alex.
 
The news here said that the shooting in Oakland wasn’t a protestor or anything. However, the police are saying that the protest provided the perfect cover for the shooting. That’s why the Oakland one is being told to leave.
pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/11/11/occupy-oakland-murder-victim-was-in-fact-an-ows-protester-and-camper/

Madea Williams, who said she was the shooting victim’s cousin, said he had shared a tent with her at the camp.

Police have not released the man’s name, but said he appeared to be in his 20s. Williams said his first name was Alex.
 
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