Occupy protests go from peace to "chaos"

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GaryTaylor said:
“Owner of Panini & Co. Breads, located across from Zuccotti Park: “…demonstrators broke a bathroom sink, flooding the shop, and clogged the toilet — setting her back $3,000 in damages.” On Friday, a crazed squatter burst into the shop and demanded that workers fill a 10-gallon container of water. “He said he was entitled to have it for free.” This isn’t a protest movement, it’s psychotic street theatre. Obama and the Democrats own it.”

Once there was a summer of love. People were protesting not to take rights away, not to hate, but to grant rights, and to love. Welcome almost half a century later to the winter of hate.

Sunday night from NECN news, Boston and NYC, OWS, the crime rate is becoming out of control. Also the News stated both camps literally “stink”, as hygene has become a major issue.

Occupy Boston BOSTON (CBS) – Three people arrested Thursday night inside the Occupy Boston camp have been charged with dealing crack cocaine.

WBZ NewsRadio 1030’s Carl Stevens, who spent the night at the camp a few weeks ago, talked to a man who spends most nights at Occupy Boston. He said things have gone downhill.

“Things have changed drastically. It seems to be deteriorating,” the man told Carl. “A lot of drug use, alcohol use, people getting into fights… It’s deteriorating pretty quick.”

Mayor Menino’s sentiment reflects that concern…

“They have a message that’s not a clear message. The problem we have today is that we have different groups infiltrating the people who have the message [whatever that unclear message is]. We have anarchists who are part of the group. We have homeless individuals who are part of the group,” Menino told WBZ NewsRadio 1030.

And…

Mayor Menino continued, the problems which OWS “are” relating to have nothing to do with individual states in the US, and they really need to take their concerns to Washington DC. "The problems are down in Washington. And nobody’s even addressing those issues of what Washington has done to our economy, to job training, to housing, to education. They’re directing their anger at the wrong location’s.”

And well stated basically daily by members of CAF also.

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Such fine outstanding citizens…:rolleyes:

I was watching the news last night and they were covering the police uprooting some of the “occupy” people across the country. One of them said to the reporter, “They have no place to go.”. Really? My question is, where the heck did they come from? The woodwork? I’m sure some are homeless, but this was too well organized in the beginning.
 
garytaylor said:
“i will support peace rally but not anti war, pro life but not anti abortion, gay rights but not same sex marriage”
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any movement that has anti in it tends to be militant. Im militant for jesus christ first and foremost. I have attended pro life, peace and gay rights/pride rallies, tea party. I have not attended ows yet.

And political conservatism/liberalism is not the same as religious conservativism/liberalism.

Politically i consider myself liberal. But religiously, im just catholic christian. Okay, okay, if you must know. Im conservative. 🙂
 
je333 said:
any movement that has anti in it tends to be militant. Im militant for jesus christ first and foremost. I have attended pro life, peace and gay rights/pride rallies, tea party. I have not attended ows yet.

And political conservatism/liberalism is not the same as religious conservativism/liberalism.

Politically i consider myself liberal. But religiously, im just catholic christian. Okay, okay, if you must know. Im conservative. 🙂
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How are you a political liberal but a christian conservative? :confused:
 
“Do not confuse an enlightened man with an American liberal. They are not the same thing.”

----Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger, Archbishop of Paris, 1981-2005.
 
Wolseley said:
“Do not confuse an enlightened man with an American liberal. They are not the same thing.”

----Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger, Archbishop of Paris, 1981-2005.
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yes, enlightened minds and political views, indeed, are too different things. 😉
 
I no longer believe that either party cares a whit for anyone without sufficient money or power.
 
The problem stems from the fact that christianity in any form is only the second biggest religion in america.
The Majority of worship is to the great god DOLLAR.
“The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil”
(Often misquoted as ‘Money is the root of all evil’)
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
How are you a political liberal but a christian conservative? :confused:
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A person can be orthodox and traditional and still hold to many politically liberal positions. I have one or two myself that, while I would not say are liberal, are at least left of center and far from the Republican party platform.
 
pnewton said:
A person can be orthodox and traditional and still hold to many politically liberal positions. I have one or two myself that, while I would not say are liberal, are at least left of center and far from the Republican party platform.
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I would say there’s nothing wrong with that, unless one’s political views get so far to the extreme (of left or right) that they begin to conflict with the tenants of one’s faith.

To use an extreme example, there were some members of the German military in World War II who saw no dichotomy between machine-gunning unarmed Jewish women and children and recieving Holy Communion the next day.

The Mafia used to murder people on occasion—usually a drive-by shooting of one description or another—and the capo who ordered the hit would simply remark dryly, “It’s nothing personal—it’s business.” Then he’d go off and donate another $100,000.00 to some charity or another.

There are politicians who vote in favor of abortion, then go off and recieve Holy Communion.

None of these actions, in my estimation, are acceptable.

If someone is going to be a Christian, then his Christianity should influence, if not control, all aspects of his life. That’s not an easy thing to do, but nobody ever said it was supposed to be easy. And I’m just as guilty as anybody else on this score. I’m working on it, but just like everybody else, I struggle and I fail on too many occasions.

Although in my favor, I never machine-gunned any women or children, and I never ordered any drive-by shootings.
 
Good morning, all,

Well, I heard on the radio this morning and have seen internet news blurbs, that the police in different cities are evicting OWS demonstrators from the parks of different cities. I haven’t heard what my city is doing, yet.

OWS always seemed chaotic, to me.

God loves all of you, lurkers, too,
Don
 
pnewton said:
A person can be orthodox and traditional and still hold to many politically liberal positions. I have one or two myself that, while I would not say are liberal, are at least left of center and far from the Republican party platform.
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Exactly, for example, one could be in favor of a single payer health care system and not be in violation of any church teaching (assuming abortion is not covered). While some on the right would argue that it is a violation of subsidiarity, the church has never definitively taught on this issue and so therefore we are free to use our prudential judgement.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Van Jones calls it the Top Down, Bottom Up, Inside Out approach. You have to get the bottom to rise up and begin to riot (Bottom Up). The “sensible” people in the middle, afraid for their safety, will beg government to restore order, even if that means sacrificing “a little liberty in exchange for security” (Top Down). Then, in order for this to never happen again, we have to change the system from the inside out.
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That doesn’t appear to be what Jones means by that phrase. Am I right that this interpretation of the phrase comes from Beck and not directly from Jones? I suppose you think Beck is a prophet who can read the evil minds of liberals?😛

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
That doesn’t appear to be what Jones means by that phrase. Am I right that this interpretation of the phrase comes from Beck and not directly from Jones? I suppose you think Beck is a prophet who can read the evil minds of liberals?😛

Edwin
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Source?
 
Contarini said:
That doesn’t appear to be what Jones means by that phrase. Am I right that this interpretation of the phrase comes from Beck and not directly from Jones? I suppose you think Beck is a prophet who can read the evil minds of liberals?😛

Edwin
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I don’t think he read his evil liberal mind. I think he read his evil liberal writings.
 
Contarini said:
That doesn’t appear to be what Jones means by that phrase. Am I right that this interpretation of the phrase comes from Beck and not directly from Jones? I suppose you think Beck is a prophet who can read the evil minds of liberals?😛

Edwin
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Direct quote or not, who cares what Comrade Jones has to say about anything? He’s a Commie.

Commies lie. It’s part of the secret oath when you join the club. Good Lord, look at Pravda and Izvestia----not a single thing they ever printed was true from day one.

I would no sooner listen to what Jones the Commie has to say about anything as I would listen to Barbra Streisand or Alec Baldwin or Sean Penn or Brad Pitt. I mean, who cares what they have to say?
 
SamH said:
Source?
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Why are you asking me for a source and not the person who made the claim about Van Jones’ intentions, citing only Glenn Beck?

I am simply repeating the state of the evidence as I find it in Scott_LaFrance’s post, and asking to be informed further if there is a direct citation from Van Jones.
 
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