Occupy protests go from peace to "chaos"

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Wolseley said:
Direct quote or not, who cares what Comrade Jones has to say about anything?
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Scott_LaFrance obviously cares, because he made a claim about just that.
He’s a Commie.
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Commies lie. It’s part of the secret oath when you join the club. Good Lord, look at Pravda and Izvestia----not a single thing they ever printed was true from day one.
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I would no sooner listen to what Jones the Commie has to say about anything as I would listen to Barbra Streisand or Alec Baldwin or Sean Penn or Brad Pitt. I mean, who cares what they have to say?
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Of course, people who don’t happen to like your ideas can dismiss you just as easily. Your attitude is a recipe for social disintegration and mutual contempt. Please reconsider it.

You are aware, aren’t you, that at one time it was affirmed confidently by Protestants that Catholics could not be trusted because it was part of “the secret oath when you join the club” that you didn’t have to “keep faith” with heretics?

Doesn’t that make you just a little suspicious of whether it’s a good idea to write off whole categories of people as untrustworthy even if you don’t have evidence that a particular individual is dishonest?

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
Why are you asking me for a source and not the person who made the claim about Van Jones’ intentions, citing only Glenn Beck?

I am simply repeating the state of the evidence as I find it in Scott_LaFrance’s post, and asking to be informed further if there is a direct citation from Van Jones.
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This good enough? I mean, ignore what Beck says as commentary. Van Jones’ words are quite evough.
 
Contarini said:
Of course, people who don’t happen to like your ideas can dismiss you just as easily.
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And they’re free to do so. We still have freedom of thought in this country, for the time being. Of course, you can check baxk issues of Pravda and Izvestia, see what they said, and it can be proven historically that they were lying.
Contarini said:
Your attitude is a recipe for social disintegration and mutual contempt. Please reconsider it.
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Like global warming, if social disintegration and mutual contempt exist, they’re so well along that my puny little contributions won’t make much difference one way or the other; but you’re correct. My attitude is not good, and it needs work. Mea culpa; ora pro me.
Contarini said:
You are aware, aren’t you, that at one time it was affirmed confidently by Protestants that Catholics could not be trusted because it was part of “the secret oath when you join the club” that you didn’t have to “keep faith” with heretics?
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With the difference being that the Church was, and is, right, and the Communists were, and are, wrong.
Contarini said:
Doesn’t that make you just a little suspicious of whether it’s a good idea to write off whole categories of people as untrustworthy even if you don’t have evidence that a particular individual is dishonest?
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Suspicion is what got me here to begin with.
 
Contarini said:
Why are you asking me for a source and not the person who made the claim about Van Jones’ intentions, citing only Glenn Beck?

I am simply repeating the state of the evidence as I find it in Scott_LaFrance’s post, and asking to be informed further if there is a direct citation from Van Jones.
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The poster did not attribute the information on Van Jones to Glenn Beck. He simply stated that Glenn Beck commented on what Van Jones said. I am familiar with some of Van Jones stated intentions and was simply wondering what your source was that contradicted what was presented. Do you have one?
 
Contarini said:
Of course, people who don’t happen to like your ideas can dismiss you just as easily. Your attitude is a recipe for social disintegration and mutual contempt. Please reconsider it.

You are aware, aren’t you, that at one time it was affirmed confidently by Protestants that Catholics could not be trusted because it was part of “the secret oath when you join the club” that you didn’t have to “keep faith” with heretics?
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Would that be because Van Jones is so respectful of those he doesn’t agree with?
 
pnewton said:
Perhaps je333, or someone else would care to provide a news story that demonstrates the charitable side of the OWS movement.
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Yes that would be welcome. Part of me feels, however, that the lack of Christian messages from the OWS is no coincidence. There seems to be too much narcissism in this movement.
 
bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15746240

I imagine most of you seen or read this on the news yesterday for NYC. I was kinda surprized the police entered at midnight to disperse OWS. 200 arrested, most released with desk-tickets. I was also surprized to see how organized OWS is with attorneys, plus a squad at Central Booking waiting for "all’ to be released. Medic’s, Food, Clothing etc. Not sure how it works with bond in NYC. I assumed they could post bond immediately. Seems they have to wait to see the judge, which their could take up to 72hrs? Or they just didn’t have to funds to bond them out. The media stated most would see the judge between 12-48hrs. I know they have night-court their.

I watched the footage yesterday, some of the protestors were chained to trees, swearing at the police etc. One of the attorneys for OWS was assaulted during te process, then arrested. He claims police brutality, however, they didn’t show the actual footage of his altercation.

No more tents, generators, sleeping-bags, tarps, or petro products. This morning they’re were approx. 50 protestors in the park shown to the news.

Must have been a drag being rousted at midnight:eek:

The media spoke to many of the small business owners in the area. They’re taking a beating, especially now with all the police barracades in front the shops around the park.

Peace
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Thanks for the interesting comment. How about answering the question.
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Oh yes, thank you! I would be delighted to answer the question. 🙂

A person’s political views would be irrelevant once he enters a temple, church, mosque, synagogue, house of worship, etc. At that moment, it is all about knowing, serving, loving and worshipping God. My likes and dislikes for a president or political party is not my religion. 😃
 
je333 said:
Oh yes, thank you! I would be delighted to answer the question. 🙂

A person’s political views would be irrelevant once he enters a temple, church, mosque, synagogue, house of worship, etc. At that moment, it is all about knowing, serving, loving and worshipping God. My likes and dislikes for a president or political party is not my religion. 😃
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Any person that can do that can’t be a good Christian let alone a good Catholic. You are also supposed to practice your faith’s teachings OUTSIDE your church, mosque, synagogue, or house of worship.
 
je333 said:
Oh yes, thank you! I would be delighted to answer the question. 🙂

A person’s political views would be irrelevant once he enters a temple, church, mosque, synagogue, house of worship, etc. At that moment, it is all about knowing, serving, loving and worshipping God. My likes and dislikes for a president or political party is not my religion. 😃
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You should be loving, knowing, serving, and worshipping God every moment of the day. Why do you change when you get inside a building? If you have “political” beliefs that you hold outside of church that are at odds with what you believe when you are inside of Church, that, my friend, is called hypocricy. It makes you a lukewarm believer, and Christ will spit you out of His mouth for your indecisiveness.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
You should be loving, knowing, serving, and worshipping God every moment of the day. Why do you change when you get inside a building? If you have “political” beliefs that you hold outside of church that are at odds with what you believe when you are inside of Church, that, my friend, is called hypocricy. It makes you a lukewarm believer, and Christ will spit you out of His mouth for your indecisiveness.
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I don’t believe it’s indecisive at all. Actually I think it’s quite deliberate.
 
Good afternoon, all,

I think little of OWS, and think the Tea Parties are achieving similar goals the right way.

That being mentioned, I can’t help but wonder, “Why at midnight?”
Authorities raiding places in the middle of the night reminds me of Nazi Germany, and seems unAmerican.

God loves all of you, lurkers, too,
Don
 
donsnow said:
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That being mentioned, I can’t help but wonder, “Why at midnight?”
Authorities raiding places in the middle of the night reminds me of Nazi Germany, and seems unAmerican.

God loves all of you, lurkers, too,
Don
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The best time to arrest criminals is when they are least likely to resist. Given the number of weapons found it appears to have been a smart move. It probably saved several injuries.
 
Good evening, all,

I’m not disputing the unhealthy nature, dangerous nature, nor anarchic nature of the protests.

I’m just repeating what both the USMC and my supervisors when I was a civilian uniformed security guard taught me: the quiet of dawn is the best time to hit an encampment from the
'Corps; and the quiet of dawn is when the thieves and burglars have gone home and to bed, from my security supervisors.

Not midnight.

God loves all of you, lurkers, too,
Don
 
Sabda said:
I wonder if they are being charged as such? I’ll bet not.

What I would love to know is why, WHY has the National Guard not been called in yet. The police obviously can’t handle this group. Since they can’t then it’s time to go up to the next level of defense. For the record I’m not talking about just Oakland. Police in other cities are also having an extremely hard time with this group of anarchist.
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They want the national guard to step in cause it’s just a hop skip and a jump to martial law… suspended elections and our beloved president for life.
 
donsnow said:
Good evening, all,

I’m not disputing the unhealthy nature, dangerous nature, nor anarchic nature of the protests.

I’m just repeating what both the USMC and my supervisors when I was a civilian uniformed security guard taught me: the quiet of dawn is the best time to hit an encampment from the
'Corps; and the quiet of dawn is when the thieves and burglars have gone home and to bed, from my security supervisors.

Not midnight.

God loves all of you, lurkers, too,
Don
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And what happens when a million people try to travel to work in the morning hours through blocked off streets in the center of second largest city in the world?
 
SamH said:
And what happens when a million people try to travel to work in the morning hours through blocked off streets in the center of second largest city in the world?
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Apparently, their right to get to and from their places of employment is not as important as sending a clear and concise message about capitalistic abuses.
 
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