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[Our_Refuge]

Don’t accuse me of lying about the use of foul language. I lived as an evangelical Protestant for 47 years, and I knew a lot of fundamentalist Protestants and

I can testify that they are turned away from Catholicism by the hypocrisy of Catholics themselves–foul language, drunkenness, sexual license,

And they are not turned away from Protestantism for their hyprocrisy of “foul language, drunkenness, sexual license”?

 

[japhy]

This is a great video. Not only was the Mass celebrated Ad Orientem but the sanctuary is beautifully adorned, the tabernacle is behind the altar, there is a communion rail and there are altar boys. Where is this Church?

“10:00 a.m. Novus Ordo Solemn Mass at Our Lady of Lourdes in Philadelphia, September 9, 2007.”

 

[Cat]

And they are not turned away from Protestantism for their hyprocrisy of “foul language, drunkenness, sexual license”?

Most definitely. That’s why many of the fundamentalist Protestants are separatists and have no interaction with other Protestants or their denominations.

 

[catharina]

How about your attitude toward him as well as the others? I have never seen anyone treated as badly as Freshman 88. He is a young guy and all of you are “older and wiser”? Don’t think so.

You’ve been on this site for 20 days. YOU’VE never seen anyone treated as badly as freshman88? I’ve seen Pope John Paul II called an unrepentant public sinner and a heretic - in this very forum. So I’ve seen plenty worse. freshman88 created his own history here as each of us do. Perhaps if you read all 797 of his posts, you’ll see why some people have objected to his extremism. Perhaps not. In any case, your opinion is your opinion - that’s all it is.

 

[Freshman88]

c-r-a-p is not a swear word… Perhaps Americans consider it so, if so, I apologize.

this who line about attitude is just annoying. Quote, please - my attitude is one of not surrendering my viewpoint, which really seems to upset people around here.

I’m going to linger around just to defend myself.

list of grievances? anything but, it’s an attempt to defend myself. Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek, I like to think I practice that by not attacking any of you in return. If defending myself is perceived as an attack, I only ask that you provide a quote for your attack. And turning the other check does not mean rolling over dead, I will defend myself.

Here’s something else to ponder, I have never attacked anyone. Yet this all still persists.

 

[Freshman88]

you’ll see why some people have objected to his extremism.

extremism? what’s that? my stance on organic growth? See Cardinal Ratzinger, he agrees with me. Really extreme.

I also attend the NO regularly and have never dared to consider its validity.

Oh yes, I am an extremist.

 

[Freshman88]

Ethelz, do me a favour and quit telling me to live my faith. This is completely baseless. I do my best to attend mass regularly, go to confession regularly, study the faith and discern my vocation. I also try to be the best example I can before my friends, I certainly don’t leave my faith at home.

How am I not living my faith?

 

[catharina]

c-r-a-p is not a swear word… Perhaps Americans consider it so, if so, I apologize.

this who line about attitude is just annoying. Quote, please - my attitude is one of not surrendering my viewpoint, which really seems to upset people around here.

I’m going to linger around just to defend myself.

list of grievances? anything but, it’s an attempt to defend myself. **Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek, I like to think I practice that by not attacking any of you in return. If defending myself is perceived as an attack, I only ask that you provide a quote for your attack. And turning the other check does not mean rolling over dead, I will defend myself.

Here’s something else to ponder, I have never attacked anyone. **Yet this all still persists.

I never for a moment believed you were intent on leaving the CA site. As to the above:

"Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek, I like to think I practice that by not attacking any of you in return. If defending myself is perceived as an attack, I only ask that you provide a quote for your attack. And turning the other check does not mean rolling over dead, I will defend myself.

Here’s something else to ponder, I have never attacked anyone."

May I remind you of your very recent post.

from freshman88:  "I'll admit, I did use my calling in a gravely inappropriate manner by trying to shoot down ethelzguy. **Try to understand that he tries my patience again and again, look at his posts, he's nothing but a provoker.** In any case I do apologize, but the attack I received was unwarranted."

Now I’ll state again, the routine excuse for the abusive personality: “I was provoked.”

May I remind you also that you and I have exchanged messages in agreement on some points. All the more reason for me to declare that your declaring yourself to be an authority and venturing into personal attacks on others are actions that find no agreement from me.

 

[catharina]

Ethelz, do me a favour and quit telling me to live my faith. This is completely baseless. I do my best to attend mass regularly, go to confession regularly, study the faith and discern my vocation. I also try to be the best example I can before my friends, I certainly don’t leave my faith at home.

How am I not living my faith?

Again, since you insist you’re very intent on self-improvement, it would be so good if you learned to capitalize the word Mass (along with Holy Spirit and other sacred words).

 

[THurifer2]

Boldface mine.

Last week we received our diocesan newspaper with the personal testimonies of all the priests who were just ordained. There are TLM parishes in our diocese, but there don’t seem to be any more men called to be priests from these parishes as from the NO parishes. In fact, most of the men were born and raised in “modern” parishes, including the parish that I am privileged to be a member of.

Cat I serve on vocations committee. You would be SHOCKED at how many conservative young men are weeded out of the vocation. I suggest you pick up a book by michael Rose titled “good bye, good men” . it clearly illustrates that the priestly shortage is in part contrived by vocations committees that consist of agenda driven people who almost immediately crusade in removing a young man from diocesan support. I remember one person remarking about the Lincoln Diocese and their 27 FIRST YEAR seminarians, about how horrible it is for the progress of the Church to have so many “right wingers” (his words) that will become priests…The priestly shortage in parts of our country are greatly exacerbated by people with “agendas”

 

[Freshman88]

Now I’ll state again, the routine excuse for the abusive personality: “I was provoked.”

Ok, so I don’t get along with Ethelz, fine. ---- Now that gives me an abusive personality?

Let’s deal with what you said though. You called me an extremist? why? Look through my posts and please provide an answer as to why. My stance on organic growth hardly makes me an extremist - Cardinal Ratzinger seems to agree.

So, if your going to attack me, back it up.

 

[Freshman88]

Again, since you insist you’re very intent on self-improvement, it would be so good if you learned to capitalize the word Mass (along with Holy Spirit and other sacred words).

I apologize for my typos, I type in haste. But really, what was the point of this post? Friendly suggestion or to humiliate?

 

[THurifer2]

(boldface mine)

Don’t accuse me of lying about the use of foul language. I lived as an evangelical Protestant for 47 years, and I knew a lot of fundamentalist Protestants and I can testify that they are turned away from Catholicism by the hypocrisy of Catholics themselves–foul language, drunkenness, sexual license, etc. Jesus pronounced woe upon those who cause a “little one” to be
offended.

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I have equally been offended and turned away from Evangelical Protestantism by their Closet Alcoholism, rampant Materialism, prosperity theology along with widespread divorce and remarriage… which growing up with many evangelical Friends I witnessed first hand myself.

Good grief I thought that predjudicial sensationalistic stereotyping was on the wane.

Was all of this “skullduggery” something you witnessed form one Catholic…or something you heard from the Pulpit? Certainly you didn’t hang out with these people. If you didn’t then how can you say such things about them?

Cat you just gave me a major Flashback from my youth. I dated a Evangelical Ministers Daughter…his tone about Catholicism made me feel like an African American at a KKK RALLY.

 

[catharina]

Ok, so I don’t get along with Ethelz, fine. ---- Now that gives me an abusive personality?

Let’s deal with what you said though. You called me an extremist? why? Look through my posts and please provide an answer as to why. My stance on organic growth hardly makes me an extremist - Cardinal Ratzinger seems to agree.

So, if your going to attack me, back it up.

Repeating my previous post:

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"Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek, I like to think I practice that by not attacking any of you in return. If defending myself is perceived as an attack, I only ask that you provide a quote for your attack. And turning the other check does not mean rolling over dead, I will defend myself. 

Here's something else to ponder, I have never attacked anyone."

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May I remind you of your very recent post.

from freshman88: "I'll admit, I did use my calling in a gravely inappropriate manner by trying to shoot down ethelzguy. Try to understand that he tries my patience again and again, look at his posts, he's nothing but a provoker. In any case I do apologize, but the attack I received was unwarranted."

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Now I'll state again, the routine excuse for the abusive personality: "I was provoked."

May I remind you also that you and I have exchanged messages in agreement on some points. All the more reason for me to declare that your declaring yourself to be an authority and venturing into personal attacks on others are actions that find no agreement from me."


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**Your penchant for attacking others because they have "provoked" you is one thing that makes you an extremist.  Your insistence that YOU are above the fray is another.  Your attempt to link my objections to your attacks to an issue of organic development is another.  You sound like an extremist who revels in attacking - anyone, any time.  On the other hand, maybe you're not an extremist; you merely sound like one.**

 

[catharina]

I apologize for my typos, I type in haste. But really, what was the point of this post? Friendly suggestion or to humiliate?

Not a friendly suggestion nor an attempt to humiliate. Instead, it’s a reminder to you AGAIN that when one is claiming to be intent upon the Holy, it seems one should slow down one’s typing to capaitalize such terms as the Mass, the Holy Spirit. You’re in a hurry? So what?

 

[Freshman88]

Your penchant for attacking others because they have “provoked” you is one thing that makes you an extremist. Your insistence that YOU are above the fray is another. Your attempt to link my objections to your attacks to an issue of organic development is another. You sound like an extremist who revels in attacking - anyone, any time. On the other hand, maybe you’re not an extremist; you merely sound like one.

i’ve exchanged some jest with Ethelz and now i’m an extremist?

I only mention organic development because that is the only issue which could be considered for a suppoused extremism.

Attacking anyone anytime? My goodness people!! I’ve exchanged jest with Ethelz so now I’m some kind of aggressive monster?

Now this is getting really silly. Extremism refers to one’s position, not posting style. Even if you are looking at my posting style, it is unfounded.

 

[Freshman88]

AGAIN that when one is claiming to be intent upon the Holy,

Ah I see, so I should learn from you, who is more intent on the holy, simply because you’ve crossed all your “t”'s and dotted all your “i”'s.

 

[catharina]

i’ve exchanged some jest with Ethelz and now i’m an extremist?

I only mention organic development because that is the only issue which could be considered for a suppoused extremism.

Attacking anyone anytime? My goodness people!! I’ve exchanged jest with Ethelz so now I’m some kind of aggressive monster?

Now this is getting really silly. Extremism refers to one’s position, not posting style. Even if you are looking at my posting style, it is unfounded.

Jest?
Nope.

Ugly?
Yes.

 

[catharina]

Ah I see, so I should learn from you, who is more intent on the holy, simply because you’ve crossed all your “t”'s and dotted all your “i”'s.

Forget me. Learn from the Church.

Holy Spirit is always capitalized.
Mass is always capitalized.

Your “need to hurry” is a sop.

 

[Freshman88]

Forget me. Learn from the Church.

Holy Spirit is always capitalized.
Mass is always capitalized.

Your “need to hurry” is a sop.

I did not say “need to hurry” I say I type hastly, in other words, I type quickly, it has nothing to do with being in a hurry…

I never said they shouldn’t be capitalized… please, move on, its only a typo. If I were writing a paper, I would use proper grammar and spelling.