Oh wait.....Trumps campaign was wire tapped after all

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Are you talking about the judgement of Obama’s behavior? The things he said in office? You sound very hurt by things that were said about Obama. I’m sorry about that. He said plenty of things that were not true. I never called him names like you are calling DT. I did not agree with some of the things that happened during his terms. I’m sure I won’t agree with everything DT does. Still not going to call names.
No, I’m not hurt by the things that were said about Obama. I am saying you didn’t do squat about it at the time, so you have nothing to say to me now. As far as the name calling, you are right. I shouldn’t say that Trump is scummy because I know most don’t equate bigoted and racist with scummy, so I should just call him bigoted and racist. I apologize for that.
 
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7_Sorrows:
I don’t think I understand people who are not liberals because I thought conservatives with values would not vote for a misogynist, racist and utter devoid of core values candidate like Donald Trump. Yet, they did. So, my point of view that conservatives are people with core values that did not include racism and misogyny went out the window.
I was reading in the Bible last night about the beam in your own eye blinding you so you can’t help your brother get the splinter out of his eye… seems to fit here. You seem to be able to tell us what we (conservatives) saw in DT, which in YOUR EYES was vile and evil, but you can’t see anything you saw about HRC for example that would be even remotely distasteful… Please stop judging. Your opinion is your opinion. My opinion is mine. You are not better than me because you judge DT for his past offenses but refuse to judge HRC on hers. It’s done, it’s over. Now let the man do his job.
The quote you have attributed to me is NOT
mine. That is a post written by jig saw.
 
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petra22:
I was reading in the Bible last night about the beam in your own eye blinding you so you can’t help your brother get the splinter out of his eye… seems to fit here. You seem to be able to tell us what we (conservatives) saw in DT, which in YOUR EYES was vile and evil, but you can’t see anything you saw about HRC for example that would be even remotely distasteful… Please stop judging. Your opinion is your opinion. My opinion is mine. You are not better than me because you judge DT for his past offenses but refuse to judge HRC on hers. It’s done, it’s over. Now let the man do his job.
I said that, not 7 Sorrows. The new format seems to create a lot of misquotes.

Trump can do his job with or without my support - he’s choosing not to. The fact that a lot of social conservatives voted for him tells me that they have no core values and that’s not going to change either. For years, I have heard the garbage from the Catholic right about how the Democrats were immoral and that voting for them was a sin, well, the right voted for a scummy, unethical person and now they have ceded their moral authority and I am just here to remind them of that.

Now, given the amount of judging that went on during the campaign and throughout the Obama years that I don’t remember you ever calling out, I’m sorry to say that you also have no moral authority as well. Good day.
Thank you for correcting the misquote.
 
The quote you have attributed to me is NOT

mine. That is a post written by jig saw.
Forgive me… 😦 Too new at this forum, I guess. But do you agree that just because js calls the President something doesn’t make it so. It’s just his opinion…
 
It was HILLARY CLINTON who denounced her non-supporters as DEPLORABLES.

I was shocked when I heard her say that.

That’s when she gave away the election.
 
Based on what we are seeing now and based on polls from around that time she was right. She said half were deplorable, not all. I guess she assumed some were good people. 😉
 
The fact that a lot of social conservatives voted for him tells me that they have no core values
This is interesting and perceptive. Conservatives tend to vote on the basis of principles. Liberals tend to vote on the basis of values. The two are different in that respect and likely never the twain shall meet.
 
This is interesting and perceptive. Conservatives tend to vote on the basis of principles. Liberals tend to vote on the basis of values. The two are different in that respect and likely never the twain shall meet.
A difference without a distinction. If it’s any comfort to you, I don’t think conservative voters have principles either based on their support of Trump.
 
A difference without a distinction. If it’s any comfort to you, I don’t think conservative voters have principles either based on their support of Trump.
They couldn’t be more different.

Much of the history, philosophy, politics and religious beliefs of the late 19th, all of the 20th and the 21st is determined by the difference between principles and values.

Without understanding that difference, one is hardly in a position to critique the adherents of either.
 
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7_Sorrows:
The quote you have attributed to me is NOT

mine. That is a post written by jig saw.
Forgive me… 😦 Too new at this forum, I guess. But do you agree that just because js calls the President something doesn’t make it so. It’s just his opinion…
That is okay @petra22. I still have problems quoting every once in a while too. I have learned to check my reply box before typing because sometimes it gets the wrong quote in the box.
I agree. Jig Saw has his opinions about Donald Trump just as I have my opinions about Hillary Clinton.
We don’t have to agree. And we base our opinions on different reasons.
 
They couldn’t be more different.

Much of the history, philosophy, politics and religious beliefs of the late 19th, all of the 20th and the 21st is determined by the difference between principles and values.

Without understanding that difference, one is hardly in a position to critique the adherents of either.
Ok, then I don’t believe conservatives have any principles nor values, based on the nomination and election of Trump.
 
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Jig_Saw:
The fact that a lot of social conservatives voted for him tells me that they have no core values
This is interesting and perceptive. Conservatives tend to vote on the basis of principles. Liberals tend to vote on the basis of values. The two are different in that respect and likely never the twain shall meet.
I think liberal votes are often based on emotion. I don’t know if I agree about their votes based on values.
I wouldn’t necessarily think of being pro-abortion as being a good value.
Or other stances they take.
 
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Ridgerunner:
They couldn’t be more different.

Much of the history, philosophy, politics and religious beliefs of the late 19th, all of the 20th and the 21st is determined by the difference between principles and values.

Without understanding that difference, one is hardly in a position to critique the adherents of either.
Ok, then I don’t believe conservatives have any principles nor values, based on the nomination and election of Trump.
We had two choices - Hillary Clinton or Donald J. Trump. Voting for Hillary Clinton went against many of our core principles and core values. Therefore, our votes went to Trump.
 
That’s a fallacy. You don’t have to vote for either.

An old bumper sticker: “Don’t blame me. I voted Libertarian.”
 
We had two choices - Hillary Clinton or Donald J. Trump. Voting for Hillary Clinton went against many of our core principles and core values. Therefore, our votes went to Trump.
And the nonstop cheerleading of Trump since the election by you and Ridge tells me all I need to know.
 
Exactly, sit around, insist on absolute purity to the detriment of any policy goals you could achieve and then wonder why your influence is nil. That is one of the reasons why the Libertarian Party is a joke.
 
The Libertarian Party is not the point.

As for purity, Cicero wrote: Primum, minima de malis. (First, choose the LEAST of evils)

The presumption is that there are more than two evils. But the common misconception as regards voting is that there are only two if any at all.
 
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And we base our opinions on different reasons.
I have a theory… about the election…2016… The DNC chose DT from the field of 17 because they had info on each one, you know, dirt… on each one that they were going to use to crush their reputations like they did Mitt, and George and John MC and Sara Palin. They were going to use the information they had gleaned from investigations. They had the dossier and the private video chat with that Bush fellow… (we already know they rigged the election against Bernie–after all who in America really wants a Socialist for President?) So, the media jumped right on. They thought they had it in the bag. What could be worse than DT and his past?? Answer they did not expect… HRC and hers… It was a set up from the beginning. I feel sorry for all those other 16 candidates. There were truly some good ones. But this, like I said was a set up and the media and the DNC were out of touch with America except the ones in big cities and on the coasts… MHO
 
Ok, then I don’t believe conservatives have any principles nor values, based on the nomination and election of Trump.
Hatred of whole segments of the population killed millions in the twentieth century. This is exactly why the left can never be trusted with power.
 
Hatred of whole segments of the population killed millions in the twentieth century. This is exactly why the left can never be trusted with power.
Because Conservatives believe that Stalin and Hitler were flaming libs.
 
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