Oh wait.....Trumps campaign was wire tapped after all

[Ridgerunner]

Nope. The resistance started when he stiffed people and declared his first bankruptcy. What’s he up to now, six?

The guy is lucky Judge Curiel didn’t throw his behind in jail for contempt of court. And that was BEFORE the election.

Judges decide who gets paid and who doesn’t in Chapter 11 bankruptcies. But unless every legitimate creditor is paid in full, it’s a wipeout for owners equity.

Judge Curiel took it upon himself to allow public disclosure of claimants’ claims and evidence in detail before trial; an action that was unnecessary and tends to poison jury pools. Most judges don’t do that, and for that very reason. He also kept the lawsuit alive when the Plaintiff wanted to drop it. Claims of judicial bias, particularly when they seem pretty obvious, do not normally result in contempt citations or half the litigants in the country would be held in contempt.

 

[Jig_Saw]

Trump is neither bigoted nor racist against Hispanics. He is the best president for minority interests in at least 10 years.

I guess saying that Judge Curiel was against him because he is Mexican isn’t racist or bigoted then. Whatever.

 

[Jig_Saw]

After almost a year of listening to the whining from posters here at CAF, like yourself, over Trump’s victory and the revenge you are all hoping for has really become monotonous. The same talking

points. The same hate for Trump.

Nothing to see here.

I know. You keep saying that or, in your words “regurgitating the same garbage” over and over again. And yet, you don’t seem to exhausted. And, yes, I agree with your posts, there is typically “Nothing to see here”.

 

[Jig_Saw]

I have already stipulated that you were likely sincere in saying what you did. I simply don’t believe that would really have been your reaction if Schumer was given clear evidence of an impeachable offense by Trump. You believe Trump Jr guilty of a crime based on apparently stolen information, and have no problem with it, so why not from a Russian to Schumer?

No, you that you don’t believe me and that is calling me a liar.

As far as Trump, Jr. goes, I am going off of the emails he provided to make the assessment.

And it wouldn’t matter what 7 Sorrows or I believed about it if it was clear evidence of an impeachable offense. Trump would be gone no matter what 7 or I thought about it.

People like you and 7 Sorrows defend Trump no matter what. Do you seriously think that clear evidence would stop the right wing media from calling it a lie and people like 7 Sorrows wouldn’t still defend Trump? Maybe you missed it, but Trump said he could kill someone on Madison Avenue and keep his supporters. You are foolish to believe there will be such thing as clear evidence that his supporters wouldn’t call a lie.

Even if Meselnitskaya was an “agent” of the Russian government (which is not in the facts) it still wouldn’t have been a crime for him to have received evidence of wrongdoing on Clinton’s part, had that been the case.

It was implied in the emails that she was an agent of the Russian government. Again, this continues to be an example of why the idea of clear evidence that could impeach Trump is ridiculous because his supporters will support him no matter what, because, even in this clearcut case on unethical behavior, Trump’s supporters claim he did nothing wrong.

 

[Ridgerunner]

People like you and 7 Sorrows defend Trump no matter what. Do you seriously think that clear evidence would stop the right wing media from calling it a lie and people like 7 Sorrows wouldn’t still defend Trump? Maybe you missed it, but Trump said he could kill someone on Madison Avenue and keep his supporters. You are foolish to believe there will be such thing as clear evidence that his supporters wouldn’t call a lie.

I don’t think you understand people who are not liberals. Lots of conservatives criticize Trump when they think he’s in the wrong, and it’s not uncommon. Just because liberals will never criticize liberal politicians, it doesn’t mean conservatives won’t criticize conservatives.

Besides, if Schumer received clear evidence of an impeachable offense committed by Trump, it wouldn’t matter what 7 or I thought about it. He would be impeached.

It was implied in the emails that she was an agent of the Russian government.

“Implied”? You’ll accuse a man of a crime you think is “implied”? But even if it was from the Russian government, it still wouldn’t be a crime.

 

[Jig_Saw]

I don’t think you understand people who are not liberals. Lots of conservatives criticize Trump when they think he’s in the wrong, and it’s not uncommon. Just because liberals will never criticize liberal politicians, it doesn’t mean conservatives won’t criticize conservatives.

I don’t think I understand people who are not liberals because I thought conservatives with values would not vote for a misogynist, racist and utter devoid of core values candidate like Donald Trump. Yet, they did. So, my point of view that conservatives are people with core values that did not include racism and misogyny went out the window. Especially, the so-called social conservative, because given Donald sexually promiscuity, you know that either there are a lot of children of his outside of marriage or there was some abortions going on.

Besides, if Schumer received clear evidence of an impeachable offense committed by Trump, it wouldn’t matter what 7 or I thought about it. He would be impeached.

Clearly, you are refusing to think about the point I made, which goes to another way I don’t understand people who are not liberals, as I used to think they were thoughtful.

“Implied”? You’ll accuse a man of a crime you think is “implied”? But even if it was from the Russian government, it still wouldn’t be a crime.

Have you read the emails? Because I feel like I am arguing with someone who has never read them and is just regurgitating the same points over and over again (and that upsets 7 Sorrows).

 

[Ridgerunner]

I don’t think I understand people who are not liberals

I agree entirely.

 

[Jig_Saw]

I agree entirely.

Good. Well, as I am reformulating my thinking of what a conservative is, I’m glad to have these conversations with you because they are very instructive on what a conservative actually is as opposed to what I thought it was.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I am reformulating my thinking of what a conservative is, I’m glad to have these conversations with you because they are very instructive on what a conservative actually is as opposed to what I thought it was.

I think you already told us what you thought of conservatives in Post 209, dating back to November, 2016 at least.

 

[Jig_Saw]

I think you already told us what you thought of conservatives in Post 209, dating back to November, 2016 at least.

That certainly is my current thinking. I appreciate your help in forming that view.

 

[SuperLuigi]

It was a policy argument. So no, not racist. NEXT!

 

[SuperLuigi]

One reason to have you on the ignore list.

 

[Jig_Saw]

It was a policy argument. So no, not racist. NEXT!

Thanks Luigi. That was very helpful.

 

[Jig_Saw]

One reason to have you on the ignore list.

Then do it. Don’t talk about it. Just do it. Heaven knows the people on the right want to stay in an echo chamber and not have their views challenged, so putting me on the ignore list would be just following your SOP.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Ridgerunner:

I don’t think you understand people who are not liberals. Lots of conservatives criticize Trump when they think he’s in the wrong, and it’s not uncommon. Just because liberals will never criticize liberal politicians, it doesn’t mean conservatives won’t criticize conservatives.

I don’t think I understand people who are not liberals because I thought conservatives with values would not vote for a misogynist, racist and utter devoid of core values candidate like Donald Trump. Yet, they did. So, my point of view that conservatives are people with core values that did not include racism and misogyny went out the window. Especially, the so-called social conservative, because given Donald sexually promiscuity, you know that either there are a lot of children of his outside of marriage or there was some abortions going on.

Besides, if Schumer received clear evidence of an impeachable offense committed by Trump, it wouldn’t matter what 7 or I thought about it. He would be impeached.

Clearly, you are refusing to think about the point I made, which goes to another way I don’t understand people who are not liberals, as I used to think they were thoughtful.

“Implied”? You’ll accuse a man of a crime you think is “implied”? But even if it was from the Russian government, it still wouldn’t be a crime.

Have you read the emails? Because I feel like I am arguing with someone who has never read them and is just regurgitating the same points over and over again (and that upsets 7 Sorrows).

There is a difference between regurgitating garbage and stating rational thoughts and facts that aren’t blown out of proportion.

 

[Jig_Saw]

There is a difference between regurgitating garbage and stating rational thoughts and facts that aren’t blown out of proportion.

I agree. I know the difference, but I don’t think everyone here does.

 

[petra22]

I don’t think I understand people who are not liberals because I thought conservatives with values would not vote for a misogynist, racist and utter devoid of core values candidate like Donald Trump. Yet, they did. So, my point of view that conservatives are people with core values that did not include racism and misogyny went out the window.

I was reading in the Bible last night about the beam in your own eye blinding you so you can’t help your brother get the splinter out of his eye… seems to fit here. You seem to be able to tell us what we (conservatives) saw in DT, which in YOUR EYES was vile and evil, but you can’t see anything you saw about HRC for example that would be even remotely distasteful… Please stop judging. Your opinion is your opinion. My opinion is mine. You are not better than me because you judge DT for his past offenses but refuse to judge HRC on hers. It’s done, it’s over. Now let the man do his job.

 

[Inisfallen]

Besides, if Schumer received clear evidence of an impeachable offense committed by Trump, it wouldn’t matter what 7 or I thought about it. He would be impeached.

As Gerald Ford once said, an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives thinks it is.

It isn’t up to Senator Schumer whether or not Trump will be impeached (assuming cause for impeachment is ever discovered). It’s up to the House.

 

[Jig_Saw]

I was reading in the Bible last night about the beam in your own eye blinding you so you can’t help your brother get the splinter out of his eye… seems to fit here. You seem to be able to tell us what we (conservatives) saw in DT, which in YOUR EYES was vile and evil, but you can’t see anything you saw about HRC for example that would be even remotely distasteful… Please stop judging. Your opinion is your opinion. My opinion is mine. You are not better than me because you judge DT for his past offenses but refuse to judge HRC on hers. It’s done, it’s over. Now let the man do his job.

I said that, not 7 Sorrows. The new format seems to create a lot of misquotes.

Trump can do his job with or without my support - he’s choosing not to. The fact that a lot of social conservatives voted for him tells me that they have no core values and that’s not going to change either. For years, I have heard the garbage from the Catholic right about how the Democrats were immoral and that voting for them was a sin, well, the right voted for a scummy, unethical person and now they have ceded their moral authority and I am just here to remind them of that.

Now, given the amount of judging that went on during the campaign and throughout the Obama years that I don’t remember you ever calling out, I’m sorry to say that you also have no moral authority as well. Good day.

 

[petra22]

Now, given the amount of judging that went on during the campaign and throughout the Obama years that I don’t remember you ever calling out, I’m sorry to say that you also have no moral authority as well. Good day.

Are you talking about the judgement of Obama’s behavior? The things he said in office? You sound very hurt by things that were said about Obama. I’m sorry about that. He said plenty of things that were not true. I never called him names like you are calling DT. I did not agree with some of the things that happened during his terms. I’m sure I won’t agree with everything DT does. Still not going to call names.