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“‘Objectively’, phones ought to be turned OFF in Church.”

In Church, during public prayer like the Mass, I would agree. But people also shouldn’t be saying the rosary or reading the missal instead of attending the Mass.
The Rosary has been affirmed by the Church as being good to pray in Church. And the Sacramental itself has been affirmed as meriting spiritual blessings when prayed in Church.
‘Objectively’, phones ought to be turned OFF in Church.
For adoration, why?
Adoration is for adoration.
From what I can tell you have stated they aren’t respectful; and don’t draw people closer to God. I apologize if I have misread that. But I haven’t seen a ‘Why’.
Further, I’ve seen people, including priests, use phones in a respectful, functional way. So again, why?
Reasons already stated throughout the thread. Not my thread so am going to leave this here. If people choose to keep with their feelings about the subject then that is something between themselves and God.
 
The Rosary has been affirmed by the Church as being good to pray in Church. And the Sacramental itself has been affirmed as meriting spiritual blessings when prayed in Church.
– During MASS? That is the opposite of what I have heard.

Once this substantial difference has been established, it is not difficult to understand that the Rosary is an exercise of piety that draws its motivating force from the liturgy and leads naturally back to it, if practiced in conformity with its original inspiration.; It does not, however, become part of the liturgy. In fact, meditation on the mysteries of the Rosary, by familiaring the hearts and minds of the faithful with the mysteries of Christ, can be an excellent preparation for the creation of those same mysteries in the liturgical action and an also become a continuing echo thereof. However, it is a mistake to recite the Rosary during the celebration of the liturgy, though unfortunately this practice still persists here and there.

-Marialis Cultus (February 2, 1974) | Paul VI
Adoration is for adoration.

Reasons already stated throughout the thread. Not my thread so am going to leave this here. If people choose to keep with their feelings about the subject then that is something between themselves and God.
sigh. But I’ve read no reasons other than ‘No technology’ or ‘its not respectful’. Those are opinions, not reasons for those opinions. But I can see no end to this so I’ll agree to disagree.

I’ll continue to use my phone in adoration, quietly and respectfully, as allowed by my pastor. You do as you wish.
 
– During MASS? That is the opposite of what I have heard.

Once this substantial difference has been established, it is not difficult to understand that the Rosary is an exercise of piety that draws its motivating force from the liturgy and leads naturally back to it, if practiced in conformity with its original inspiration.; It does not, however, become part of the liturgy. In fact, meditation on the mysteries of the Rosary, by familiaring the hearts and minds of the faithful with the mysteries of Christ, can be an excellent preparation for the creation of those same mysteries in the liturgical action and an also become a continuing echo thereof. However, it is a mistake to recite the Rosary during the celebration of the liturgy, though unfortunately this practice still persists here and there.

-Marialis Cultus (February 2, 1974) | Paul VI

sigh. But I’ve read no reasons other than ‘No technology’ or ‘its not respectful’. Those are opinions, not reasons for those opinions. But I can see no end to this so I’ll agree to disagree.

I’ll continue to use my phone in adoration, quietly and respectfully, as allowed by my pastor. You do as you wish.
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So, not only are the meanings for certain words now being redefined, but so are terms, phrases, and people’s posts, too!
 
So, not only are the meanings for certain words now being redefined, but so are terms, phrases, and people’s posts, too!
This is just childish!
It is you who have said more that once that technology doesn’t belong in Church.
It’s fine that you feel that way. Please stop imposing your feelings on others.

Objectively, subjectively- doesn’t matter. Unless and until the Church herself makes a statement about the use of technology during Adoration, or Mass your opinion is just that, YOUR opinion.
 
Go back and read my post and see in it where I actually wrote ‘Mass’?! :ehh:

The Rosary is fine to pray before or after Mass in “CHURCH”.
“”‘Objectively’, phones ought to be turned OFF in Church."

In Church, during public prayer like the Mass, I would agree. But people also shouldn’t be saying the rosary or reading the missal instead of attending the Mass. "

You should go back. This was my original point. Then you answered

“the Rosary has been affirmed by the Church as being good to pray in Church. And the Sacramental itself has been affirmed as meriting spiritual blessings when prayed in Church.”

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you were responding to my point, not setting up a straw man.
 
You didn’t make that clear, though, did you - you gave the whole post a thumbs up. And so that it what your post expressed.
Actually, neither did you. It is a well-known fact that for many years people prayed the Rosary DURING MASS!! Yet, you jumped all over the poster who went there.

You can have all the opinions you want, that’s fine. Just please stop using your opinions as at litmus test for what is or is not acceptable when the Church says nothing about the topic.
 
“”‘Objectively’, phones ought to be turned OFF in Church."

In Church, during public prayer like the Mass, I would agree. But people also shouldn’t be saying the rosary or reading the missal instead of attending the Mass. "

You should go back. This was my original point. Then you answered ‘the Rosary is fine in Church’. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you were responding to my point, not setting up a straw man.
I didn’t use the term ‘Mass’, you did. One can attend Mass and pray the Rosary before or after. If I attend Mass, it incorporates the before and after, when in “Church” - the word I used.
 
So, not only are the meanings for certain words now being redefined, but so are terms, phrases, and people’s posts, too!
Okay. I’m out. I’m either not being clear or we are talking past each other because you seem to be doing that which you are claiming others do. I’m going to assume good intentions at this point and guess I’m mis-reading things. In all sincerity, God Bless.
 
Actually, neither did you. It is a well-known fact that for many years people prayed the Rosary DURING MASS!! Yet, you jumped all over the poster who went there.
No, people might have done this, but they were not supposed to. Rosary is before or after the service. This is one of the multiplicity of reasons that Vatican II made the priest turn around and face the Eucharist while facing the congregation.
You can have all the opinions you want, that’s fine. Just please stop using your opinions as at litmus test for what is or is not acceptable when the Church says nothing about the topic.
I am in total agreement with the thread. And can agree all I wish.

It is up to you to prove your illogical premise.
 
Okay. I’m out. I’m either not being clear or we are talking past each other because you seem to be doing that which you are claiming others do. I’m going to assume good intentions at this point and guess I’m mis-reading things. In all sincerity, God Bless.
Thank you. God bless.
 
No, people might have done this, but they were not supposed to. Rosary is before or after the service. This is one of the multiplicity of reasons that Vatican II made the priest turn around and face the Eucharist while facing the congregation.

I am in total agreement with the thread. And can agree all I wish.

It is up to you to prove your illogical premise.
What illogical premise? That the use of a smartphone for prayer is an acceptable practice?
I am confused?

You are the one arguing against the use of this particular type of technology in Church.
Do you feel the same way about electric lighting, sound systems, and air conditioning? These things are all modern technologies that have only been used in the past 50 or so years. Why are they OK, but using the prayer book on my smartphone during adoration, or my e-missal during Mass not OK?
 
What illogical premise? That the use of a smartphone for prayer is an acceptable practice?
I am confused?

You are the one arguing against the use of this particular type of technology in Church.
Do you feel the same way about electric lighting, sound systems, and air conditioning? These things are all modern technologies that have only been used in the past 50 or so years. Why are they OK, but using the prayer book on my smartphone during adoration, or my e-missal during Mass not OK?
No, because I don’t sit in Church staring at a light bulb affixed somewhere in the ceiling area, and neither do I stand with arms outstretched in front of the air conditioning vent pretending to be an aeroplane; similarly, neither do I hear the sound system mysteriously playing on automatic during Adoration, to which I then feel compelled to sing karaoke.

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No, because I don’t sit in Church staring at a light bulb affixed somewhere in the ceiling area, and neither do I stand with arms outstretched in front of the air conditioning vent pretending to be an aeroplane; similarly, neither do I hear the sound system mysteriously playing on automatic during Adoration, to which I then feel compelled to sing karaoke.

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OK, but it is still technology? And you didn’t answer my question.
Why is a smartphone bad, but all this other technology good?
 
OK, but it is still technology? And you didn’t answer my question.
Why is a smartphone bad, but all this other technology good?
In short, I think the point is: distractions, e.g:- it is one thing for a baby to cry in Church because a baby is doing what a baby does but quite another for people to bring avoidable distractions into a church. It is as if those who do so cannot disconnect for one little hour. Many people have an addictive over-dependence on technology, and so it can become a kind of idol. Church, is the one time, for one hour or so, during the week, in which God wants us to spend all of our time - physically and spiritually - with Him, alone.
 
In short, I think the point is: distractions, e.g:- it is one thing for a baby to cry in Church because a baby is doing what a baby does but quite another for people to bring avoidable distractions into a church. It is as if those who do so cannot disconnect for one little hour. Many people have an addictive over-dependence on technology, and so it can become a kind of idol. Church, is the one time, for one hour or so, during the week, in which God wants us to spend all of our time - physically and spiritually - with Him, alone.
You are mixing two different things here.The OP is talking about phone use during adoration, and now you are talking about Mass.

If I have my missal on my phone (which I do), and I use it to follow along with Mass, how is it any more distracting that me following along with a paper book? If anything, using my phone is quieter because I don’t have to flip pages.

The same could be said for praying the Liturgy of the Hours. I have the 4 volume set, and I have it on my phone. I use my phone when I pray in Church because everything I need for that particular hour is all right there, no flipping back & forth between pages.

I am not addicted at all to my phone. It is a tool. It is also much easier for me to carry around. And, I have all my favorite prayers, reflections, and Scripture at my fingertips. If I had to carry all those books, my bag would weigh 30#. I don’t know about you, but I am getting too old to lug all that extra stuff around.

Look, if you don’t want to use the technology, don’t.
I will continue to do so. I am sorry if that causes you a problem, but it is YOUR problem, not mine.
 
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