Ok this fries me!

[MarkInOregon]

Adoration is Adoration.

My argument isn’t about books, it is about technology in Church, especially at Adoration.

Books are technology. Technology is simply the purposeful application of information in the design, production, and utilization of goods and services and in the organization of human activities. The building you go to for Adoration and for Mass as well as the pew or chair you sit in are the products of technology. The clothes you wear to Adoration and Mass are the product of technology. If your priest uses a microphone at Mass to be heard–that is technology in Church. The candles used at Mass are the product of technology. The monstrance that the Christ is displayed in for your Adoration is the product of technology. I’m not sure that it is technology in Church/Adoration that you have an issue with as much as it is the way in which some people adore Christ.

The peace of Christ,
Mark

 

[friardchips]

Books are technology. Technology is simply the purposeful application of information in the design, production, and utilization of goods and services and in the organization of human activities. The building you go to for Adoration and for Mass as well as the pew or chair you sit in are the products of technology. The clothes you wear to Adoration and Mass are the product of technology. If your priest uses a microphone at Mass to be heard–that is technology in Church. The candles used at Mass are the product of technology. The monstrance that the Christ is displayed in for your Adoration is the product of technology. I’m not sure that it is technology in Church/Adoration that you have an issue with as much as it is the way in which some people adore Christ.

The peace of Christ,
Mark

Then I am sure that you have not understood.

 

[MarkInOregon]

Exactly: called to see Him.

Not sure I understand the point of this response–are you suggesting that those at Mass or Adoration are not called by God? Are not responding to some small grace given to them?

That’s a nice perspective only I think God calls us in a different way than to be conversing by phone especially during Adoration. In fact, I think the act of responding to God alone, would be be held in higher regard as the greater “call”.

What other perspective can one have unless one knows for a fact that someone is showing up with an ulterior motive? God calls people where they are–if he brings them to us its our job to help draw them closer to him. Unless I missed it it was never proven that anyone was conversing on the phone–that was an assumption made (a very uncharitable assumption in my opinion)–to which many have responded (including a priest) that phones now have many functions–one of which can be as a breviary. If one is at Mass or Adoration and one is worrying about “technology” and thinking the worst of those around them–then one is not responding to God alone and is certainly not seeing Christ in those around them–and it leaves me wondering if one feels like this about their brothers/sisters in Christ–…

Do people who can’t be bothered to check their phone usage in Church also draw people closer to God?

You’re assuming the worst in your brothers and sisters in Christ regarding how the phone is being used–you’re being uncharitable. Can a person who assumes the worst about his brothers and sisters in Christ also draw people closer to God?

Actually, gentle correction can often be a duty - a work of mercy. Obviously, individual circumstances take discernment.

Yes, but the one being corrected should be in need of correction–are you suggesting that someone praying the hour by using the breviary on their phone is in need of correction?

The duty is the onus of the person who is not respecting Church as the House of God to think more carefully about those alongside them who hopefully are doing what they are meant to be doing in Church, which is praying.

Yes, but of course one is not praying when one is so concerned about what others around them are doing and is busy assuming the worst and making judgments.

So, if someone is bothered, it is their fault, but the person who is not respectful is doing nothing wrong. This counter-argument is back-to-front.

To a certain extent yes. We often think people are being disrespectful when they are not–they may simply not know any better or we may be mistaken in our assumption regarding what they are doing. At Mass all I can control is me (any hopefully my smaller children). I pray the prayers, sing the songs, my eyes are closed most of the time, and I try to make sure my interactions with others at Mass are positive and will hopefully make them want to come back next week at best and at worst will not drive them away. I’m just not going to think the worst about people and assume God doesn’t want them their because they dressed this way, or because I don’t think they’re reverent enough. I control whether or not I let something bother me. (I will admit that the time someone tried to steal a consecrated host and had to be chased down the street to retrieve it–I didn’t give that person the benefit of the doubt) God became incarnate – God came down and walked among us --God tore down the temple curtain–the wall between God and man and he called those the pharisees thought unworthy. I can only try to set a good example. I can only try to draw others to a deeper relationship with Christ. I can’t do that if I sit in judgment of them.

The fact that we are all sinners does not stop people from being able to show annoyance in the correct way. If it is annoyance motivated simply from having had our own ways of doing things interrupted, then the annoyance would not be justified, but if this annoyance is for the sake of God, then this is righteous, as is it driven by the clear awareness of the difference between what is good and what is not.

I’m just not sure someone using their phone to pray falls into the category of what is bad. And let face it that’s what started all this–someone using their phone at Adoration and someone assuming that they were using it for some trivial matter–as if Adoration is where people go to do trivial things. Finally I’m not sure annoyance is what we should show–perhaps concern for them would be a better approach if our goal is to bring them closer to God.

The peace of Christ,
Mark

 

[truetofaith]

No, people might have done this, but they were not supposed to. Rosary is before or after the service. This is one of the multiplicity of reasons that Vatican II made the priest turn around and face the Eucharist while facing the congregation.

I am in total agreement with the thread. And can agree all I wish.

It is up to you to prove your illogical premise.

I see many people saying the rosary during the Mass…while the readings are proclaimed.

 

[truetofaith]

I was at the adoration chapel after church. The person who sits for the “hour” had her cell phone on silent but was using it the whole time i was trying to pray. She was sitting near the front in a chair. I was deep in prayer and the women next to me her phone rang full blast and she left flustered! I mean is this really real?! Jesus comes to earth to save all humanity is born from a virgin, dies a horrible death, is humble enough to be brought to us through the bread and wine bringing his body, soul, and divinity… and really?! People can just sit there in front of Him and text? Let their phones ring? I mean I leave my phone in the car out of reverence and to make sure it doesnt go off. Anyways, Im thinking of calling the church office so that maybe they can hang a sign on the adoration chapel NO CELL PHONES!!

ok there, I feel better.

This is post #1…the cell phone went off and caused a distraction like friardchips is talking about. Reading a prayer book doesn’t disturb anyone else.

 

[LightBound]

This is post #1…the cell phone went off and caused a distraction like friardchips is talking about. Reading a prayer book doesn’t disturb anyone else.

The cell phone went off and caused a distraction. She left flustered. No where did the OP say she answered the phone and proceeded to carry on a conversation. She made a mistake by not putting it on silent. A mistake, okay? She was in adoration, most likely using a prayer app. What if she had a paper prayer book and an infant who started to cry? Still a distraction, is it not? Sure a ringing phone is annoying, but to carry on about it and/or prayer apps on a cell phone for 9 pages over nearly 20 days fries me way more than a phone that someone mistakenly left on during adoration. Really people??? It’s time to move on.

 

[friardchips]

The cell phone went off and caused a distraction. She left flustered. No where did the OP say she answered the phone and proceeded to carry on a conversation. She made a mistake by not putting it on silent. A mistake, okay? She was in adoration, most likely using a prayer app. What if she had a paper prayer book and an infant who started to cry? Still a distraction, is it not? Sure a ringing phone is annoying, but to carry on about it and/or prayer apps on a cell phone for 9 pages over nearly 20 days fries me way more than a phone that someone mistakenly left on during adoration. Really people??? It’s time to move on.

As truetofaith said: books don’t ring in Church, cellphones do.

We’ve given our opinion on the matter and still people are arguing with us.

 

[friardchips]

I see many people saying the rosary during the Mass…while the readings are proclaimed.

They are meant to be listening to the readings and the homily. These are crucial aspects of the Mass. We are meant to fully participate with our minds and hearts. Maybe these people are not saying the prayers but rather simply holding the beads for security. I don’t know. They are not in the majority.

Rosary is fine, before or after, not during.

However, it wasn’t me who brought ‘Mass’ into the subject - I mentioned the Rosary being fine in “church”. Words were put in my mouth.

For people to be using the Rosary as an excuse for phone usage, is meaningless and pointless, anyway, because the Rosary is a ‘Sacramental’, while phones and the Internet, are not.

 

[truetofaith]

They are meant to be listening to the readings and the homily. These are crucial aspects of the Mass. We are meant to fully participate with our minds and hearts. Maybe these people are not saying the prayers but rather simply holding the beads for security. I don’t know. They are not in the majority.

Rosary is fine, before or after, not during.

However, it wasn’t me who brought ‘Mass’ into the subject - I mentioned the Rosary being fine in “church”. Words were put in my mouth.

For people to be using the Rosary as an excuse for phone usage, is meaningless and pointless, anyway, because the Rosary is a ‘Sacramental’, while phones and the Internet, are not.

I saw a lady last Sunday, moving her lips, saying the rosary during the readings at Mass. This is not the time for the rosary!
I remember 50 yrs. ago the old Italian ladies in the Bronx saying the rosary, but the Mass was in Latin & we didn’t have books with the readings. I guess some even prayed the rosary during the sermon! ( I’m Italian, by the way. )

 

[friardchips]

I saw a lady last Sunday, moving her lips, saying the rosary during the readings at Mass. This is not the time for the rosary!
I remember 50 yrs. ago the old Italian ladies in the Bronx saying the rosary, but the Mass was in Latin & we didn’t have books with the readings. I guess some even prayed the rosary during the sermon! ( I’m Italian, by the way. )

Ah, Italian - I have a great article about Franciscans in the Bronx!

Yes, as stated before, the change of priest facing congregation as well as the Eucharist, was God-inspired, as it helped to increase laity-participation.