Oklahoma Catholics: Planned Protests for Black Mass?

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Brendan_64 said:
But you are coming at this from the presumption that what they are doing is nothing more than an empty ritual (possibly you think the same about a Catholic Mass). If it was an empty ritual, then yes it would probably be best ignored, and just let them get on with their meaningless mumbo-jumbo. So from where you are (and I’m making a presumption here) it is best to simply ignore them and laugh them off.

However if this is regarded from a position of believing that what they do is an evil ritual which is not empty, but can do much harm and damage to humanity, and is directly trying to subvert the Holy Mass, and they are using the physical body of our Lord and God (the consecrated host) defiled in the most perverted of ways and offering it up to satan in order to harm humanity, then perhaps you can understand why we might be getting a bit upset about it, and why we do want it stopped and to make Catholics (and other Christians) aware of it so that we can offer up prayers (which we believe have power).

So before you can convince us that this is an empty ritual you would first have to convince us that the Holy Mass is an empty ritual, that the consecrated host is not the body, blood, soul and divinity of Our Lord, and that satan doesn’t exist.

Can you therefore see that, from our underlying beliefs, this is not an empty, harmless ritual carried, but something very dangerous and evil?
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Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that their ritual actually uses some real black magic. What exactly are you afraid will happen. If the host is really Jesus, and Jesus is the all powerful creator of everything, what can these people possibly do to Him? Can they really hurt Jesus with this ritual? In the context of your religious belief, it would seem the only danger is on them - basically that they risk going to Hell. I don’t see how they damage the church or God or anyone else except themselves.
 
Tigg said:
Isn’t the bishop planning on doing a Eucharistic procession to counteract this? Perhaps true adoration and worship of the Blessed Sacrament would be more effective. And we could all do it in our own diocese for that intention.
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Personally I wish this had been done against all Satanic music that has hit the streets for countless number of years.
 
Sparkythedog said:
In the context of your religious belief, it would seem the only danger is on them - basically that they risk going to Hell. I don’t see how they damage the church or God or anyone else except themselves.
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The Holy Mass is Christ offering Himself in sacrifice for the redemption of the sins of all mankind. Mass does good, not just for those present, but for all mankind. A black mass is the complete and deliberate inversion of Holy Mass (both in form and intention). A black mass does not only harm those present, but all mankind. In the cosmic battle for souls between God and satan, the black mass is one of satan’s weapons.
 
Brendan_64 said:
The Holy Mass is Christ offering Himself in sacrifice for the redemption of the sins of all mankind. Mass does good, not just for those present, but for all mankind. A black mass is the complete and deliberate inversion of Holy Mass (both in form and intention). A black mass does not only harm those present, but all mankind. In the cosmic battle for souls between God and satan, the black mass is one of satan’s weapons.
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Sorry, that still makes no sense to me.
 
Sparkythedog said:
Sorry, that still makes no sense to me.
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This is because you are approaching this from a position that the Holy Mass is simply a ritual of pointless words. From your standpoint the black mass is also no more than mumbo-jumbo, silly, but ultimately harmless. You believe that your starting point is absolutely correct, absolute fact, and no other starting point is valid.

God bless you,

Brendan
 
“The only thing for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing.” Can’t remember who said that but it is true.
 
PTL said:
Please sign this petition against the black Mass.
tfpstudentaction.org/stop-black-mass-oklahoma-city.html

We need to stand up in addition to pray. Please pass this link to everyone on your email list.
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Sorry but signing the petition will do nothing.
Sparkythedog said:
Seriously, you guys are this event’s biggest promoter. The only place I hear about these Black Masses is from religious folks.

Satanism is silly and juvenile. They don’t even believe in a literal Satan. It’s just pageantry made to upset the religious. All they are doing is trying to get attention, and man, do you guys ever give it to them. Stop spreading links and petitions. You’re doing nothing but putting these idiots in the spotlight.

I guarantee, if you ignore them, they will leave you alone and go back to playing D&D or Magic cards or whatever game people who like to dress up in black robes play.
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I don’t agree with this. Your suggestion is to ignore them and they will go away. I don’t know if you are Catholic or not, but you don’t simply ignore somebody that is defiling the living Christ.
Tigg said:
Isn’t the bishop planning on doing a Eucharistic procession to counteract this? Perhaps true adoration and worship of the Blessed Sacrament would be more effective. And we could all do it in our own diocese for that intention.
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Yes.
Sparkythedog said:
If they steal something from a church or personal property then you charge them with theft. Otherwise there is not much you can do about their ritual. It’s their right to practice their beliefs even if it mocks yours.
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That is the approach that many are trying. If they stole a conscerated host, they have committed a crime and shouldn’t be allowed to hold ht eevent.
I don’t know how else to say it, but you guys are your own worst enemy here. The more controversy you create, the more tickets they will sell. You play into their hands by protesting. If you stop and just laugh them off as rediculous, they lose their power and credibility.
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This simply isn’t possible. Maybe you don’t know what a black mass involves. maybe you should read up on everything they do. It is a full fledeged porno involving a concecrated host. I highly doubt that other plays involving sex will be allowed at the civic center
 
If a Christian would try to rent the Civic Center in OK. (or anyplace else) and sell tickets to a ritual that mocked everything that Islam or Judaism held as holy and significant, that Christian would rightfully be thrown in jail for some sort of hate crime. If a Satanist does it, well it’s all in the name of religious freedom.
I for one am becoming fed up with this countries politically correct stupidity. I suppose as long as we stand still and tolerate such nonsense we get just what we deserve.
 
7_Sorrows said:
The satanists in oklahoma have already won the right to have a statue put at the state capitol as a way of protesting a statue of the 10 commandments. I am sure if you google it you will see what the statue will look like. It is probably best to not ignore them.
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This is what happens when you mix religion and government.
 
CatholicSooner said:
I don’t agree with this. Your suggestion is to ignore them and they will go away. I don’t know if you are Catholic or not, but you don’t simply ignore somebody that is defiling the living Christ.
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I still don’t understand how someone can defile an omnipotent being. It’s like me mocking the sun by calling it a “jerk” and throwing rocks at it. It’s not going to affect the sun. How much more powerful is Jesus than the sun? Does Jesus become weaker when he is in bread form? Can the satanists trap him in the consecrated host? I really don’t get this part.
CatholicSooner said:
That is the approach that many are trying. If they stole a conscerated host, they have committed a crime and shouldn’t be allowed to hold ht eevent.
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They can hold their event, they just can’t hold it with stolen property. And, like I said earlier, if they have stolen something, they should be charged with theft.
CatholicSooner said:
This simply isn’t possible. Maybe you don’t know what a black mass involves. maybe you should read up on everything they do. It is a full fledeged porno involving a concecrated host. I highly doubt that other plays involving sex will be allowed at the civic center
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Considering the minimum age allowed at this event is 16, I doubt there will be much in the way of sexually explicit content.
 
Sparkythedog said:
They can hold their event, they just can’t hold it with stolen property. And, like I said earlier, if they have stolen something, they should be charged with theft.
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A black mass cannot take place without a consecrated host, they have already stated that they will be using a consecrated host. The host can only be consecrated by a properly ordained Catholic priest (or an Orthodox Church priest). This host must therefore have originated from the Catholic Church (or Orthodox Church) and as clearly we do not sell hosts and even to the Catholic faithful the host must be consumed when it is given and it is not the property of the person receiving it, the host must have been stolen.

If it is a consecrated host that is being used, then it must have been illicitly taken from the Catholic Church (or Orthodox Church). Of course proving exactly where the host was taken from would be practically impossible, but the fact that it is a consecrated host means it has been illicitly taken.
 
Sparkythedog said:
I still don’t understand how someone can defile an omnipotent being. It’s like me mocking the sun by calling it a “jerk” and throwing rocks at it. It’s not going to affect the sun. How much more powerful is Jesus than the sun? Does Jesus become weaker when he is in bread form? Can the satanists trap him in the consecrated host? I really don’t get this part.

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I was informed by another poster on another thread on this topic that Jesus, in his profound humility, is permitting this desecration to occur, presumably so that some greater good can come from it.
 
Brendan_64 said:
A black mass cannot take place without a consecrated host, they have already stated that they will be using a consecrated host. The host can only be consecrated by a properly ordained Catholic priest (or an Orthodox Church priest). This host must therefore have originated from the Catholic Church (or Orthodox Church) and as clearly we do not sell hosts and even to the Catholic faithful the host must be consumed when it is given and it is not the property of the person receiving it, the host must have been stolen.

If it is a consecrated host that is being used, then it must have been illicitly taken from the Catholic Church (or Orthodox Church). Of course proving exactly where the host was taken from would be practically impossible, but the fact that it is a consecrated host means it has been illicitly taken.
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Consecrated hosts are given to people. I don’t know how someone can be charged with theft for taking something they’ve been given. You might say that they obtained it under false pretenses, but you could also say that for anyone who receives communion in a state of mortal sin and they would never be charged with theft.
 
Sparkythedog said:
Bingo 👍
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oh believe me, we all know what you are saying. but when it involves doing the kinds of evil things to the lord jesus, it is proposterous to think that christians should just sit by and ignore it.

I don’t care if it is one person or 1,000 doing it.
 
Sparkythedog said:
Considering the minimum age allowed at this event is 16, I doubt there will be much in the way of sexually explicit content.
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you would be wrong then if this black mass is anything like a real black mass.

BTW, age 16 is the legal age for girls in oklahoma
 
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