ON TAPE: MINNEAPOLIS Priest Blasts Vatican Cardinal and Archbishop over Homosexuality During Homily

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Have been wondering lately if one way to get around the rage of persons with agendas that want to protect their own lies and false life styles may be to help them to see the one common root in all this - the variant forms of narcissism .

And the consequences of such, esp. when fosterd or not eradicated from places where we need to see only goodness and truth , can have devastating effects on the whole culture !

unitypublishing.com/Moral/Narcissian.htm
gives some good insight into the pathology ( this site also good for some current important topics for us )

While the conclusion of the artcle is one of almost hopelessness , we know that it does not have to be so for those who want to turn to the source of All Good and Truth !

True, tough work , yet worth it for what it promises !

Good thing our Church has taken a clear stand on the issue and hopefull that it would also come up with a good plan on a treatment regime - of immersion in The Fathers’s Love …to regain the manhood and true identity and dignity for the afflicted .

May the grace to turn to the tenderness of our bl.Mother be one of the first steps in such !
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
No, it indicates a discussion from the chancery to the parish. The status does vary. The view in this parish is that there are no differences between heterosexual and homosexual relations in relation to one or two genders involved. What the people in the parish (and similar ones around the world) is for the same-gender ones to be the same as different-gender ones, in that every effort is made to have it a long term monogamous one and all the legal rights that go along with it.
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What the people in the parish want is irrelevant if they are wanting to rationalize homosexual behavior as morally licit. The Catholic Church teaches that homosexual acts can in no way be justified, so that’s it. If others want to say that homosexual acts are morally equivalent as heterosexual acts, then they are in error.

You see, this is the wonderful thing about the Catholic Church. It is clear what issues regarding faith and morals are true. As Catholics, we have a clear reference point with which measure dissent and heretical teaching. This instance is a case in point.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
Which is why we are having the discussions about it in parishes and other places around the world. Neither view has to be wrong, this is not a binary argument. As with most things in life in relation to the world around us it is some fluid changing shade of grey.
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To put things in perspective, the Pope is infallible on two things. Faith and Morals. The teaching on homosexual relations has to do with morals. It is taught that homosexual relations between two men, or two women are mortally sinful. If this teaching is infallible, which it is, and pertains to morals, which it does, the case is closed and not open to further discussion, no matter what an individual may want to say about the matter. The highest moral authority has spoken on the issue. It cannot, will not and never will change. It is a black and white issue. There is nothing gray about it at all.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
I think what this priest did was a good thing.
This is the apparent crux of his homily. It speaks of compassion. In the average Catholic’s life, application of their faith is much broader than what is interpreted in Rome. Loving thy neighbor is taken seriously and not refused based on other’s opinions.
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Evidently not, at least at this parish. If this priest truly loved homosexuals, he would be concerned with the souls of those who are practicing gay sex. This life lasts about 70-80 yrs…the next one is an eternity. If he truly cared, he would do all in his power to explain to them that, while God & the Catholic Church are there for them, feel for them, etc., etc., they cannot just stand by doing nothing while they put their disordered sexuality into practice.
Same-gender preference Catholic are Catholics too but in the end they are just regular members of the parish just like everyone else.
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Absolutely. They are just “regular” members & like the rest of the “regular” members they are sinners. There are probably a couple of adulturers in this same congregation…maybe a thief or two, perhaps a few women who have had abortions. ALL are guily of serious sin, the difference being that it is very unusual for Catholic adulterers, thieves & women who have had abortions to ask their Church to tell them that it is OK. to commit these sins.
 
Nohome said:
You’re pushing a chain here pal. Read post #41, that was what I was commenting on.
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Yes, and your conclusion was that “… based on God’s Word, this only applies to men.” You are the one that is intentionally trying to narrow to the point such that it only applies to men, yet you stated “based on God’s Word,” which includes more than just Leviticus. And again, even if you had said, “So, clearly, based on Leviticus, this only applies to men,” this would still be an argument from silence.
 
irenaeus1 said:
Yes, and your conclusion was that “… based on God’s Word, this only applies to men.” You are the one that is intentionally trying to narrow to the point such that it only applies to men, yet you stated “based on God’s Word,” which includes more than just Leviticus. And again, even if you had said, “So, clearly, based on Leviticus, this only applies to men,” this would still be an argument from silence.
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No, I was simply showing that using Leviticus as a sole argument, which the individual did in post #41 is lame.

Nohome
 
I had the exact thing happen to me several years ago. Our Assistant Pastor preached Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexuality, Anti-Magisterium every Sunday. Finally, after several months of this (and after a particularly sordid homily) I spoke up during petitions and prayed “for an end to the sexual immorality of homosexuality in the United States.”

I was nearly physically accosted by this priest immediately following Mass, so I did the only logical thing I knew to do at that time; I wrote a letter to Rome and addressed it specifically to a Cardinal whom I had always admired and respected by the name of “Ratzinger.”

Everyone in the chain-of-command below the rank of Centurion in Indianapolis immediately went into self-protect mode. Why? Because within a period of approx. three months, because of pressure from above, the priest in question gave up his collar and for several years now has been living with his “boyfriend” in Florida!

You should try what I did!
 
CHRIS_DICKSON said:
I had the exact thing happen to me several years ago. Our Assistant Pastor preached Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexuality, Anti-Magisterium every Sunday. Finally, after several months of this (and after a particularly sordid homily) I spoke up during petitions and prayed “for an end to the sexual immorality of homosexuality in the United States.”

I was nearly physically accosted by this priest immediately following Mass, so I did the only logical thing I knew to do at that time; I wrote a letter to Rome and addressed it specifically to a Cardinal whom I had always admired and respected by the name of “Ratzinger.”

Everyone in the chain-of-command below the rank of Centurion in Indianapolis immediately went into self-protect mode. Why? Because within a period of approx. three months, because of pressure from above, the priest in question gave up his collar and for several years now has been living with his “boyfriend” in Florida!

You should try what I did!
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Good for you, Chris! 👍

And to the future Papa Benedict, too…cool!
 
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