On the frontline of Europe’s forgotten war in Ukraine

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There are historical and cultural reasons why Russia has designs on Ukraine (excepting perhaps western Ukraine, where the people are different
The people are “different”, I suppose, in the sense that those regions were conquered by Mosow much later, and subject to pressures of colonization and cultural genocide for a lesser period of time. Russia may have its reasons, but acting on such designs is a war crime.
 
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The people are “different” I suppose in the sense that those regions were conquered by the Moskaly much later and subject to pressures of colonization and cultural genocide for a lesser period of time. Russia may have its reasons but acting on such designs is a war crime.
Some are also of other ethnic groups not present in numbers elsewhere in Ukraine. Catholicism prevails in part of western Ukraine and some of the people are Polish-speaking or Ruthenian-speaking.

If I’m not greatly mistaken, a 2014 poll conducted in Western Ukraine showed less than 1% favoring union with Russia. At about the same time, it was 30% in the parts of eastern Ukraine now essentially occupied by Russia.

I don’t know what percentage of the population of Western Ukraine was removed during the Soviet era, but Solzhenitsyn mentions them as being a sizeable one of the 'waves" of various peoples going into the Gulag. His account of their effect on the Gulag is interesting.
 
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Perhaps the Serbian leadership should have considered that before embroiling their countrymen in a genocidal campaign.
I am in no way promoting genocide in any of its forms. But it does need to be recognized that the immigration of ethnic Albanians into Kosovo largely took place in relatively modern times, particularly after WWII.
 
I won’t cry many tears for the civilians of Dresden or Tokyo, who suffered some of the most destructive non nuclear bomb drops in history, nor will I shed that many tears for the Serbs.
 
We should all be sorry for the loss of any human life 🤨 Whether a War is just or injust, people die unnecessarily and for causes that in hindsight should have been avoidable. Wars are fought by good normal people. However, the leaders who orchestrate these mass slaughters never participate directly. People around the world regularly pay with their lives for the sins of their leaders.

“Little children, love one another."
~St. John
 
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Some are also of other ethnic groups not present in numbers elsewhere in Ukraine.
Yes. This is because, as I said, the pattern of colonization and cultural genocide began earlier and was more advanced in the East. Still, quite a job was done in the West even though it as in Moscow’s clutches for less than a century.
 
@Profete I would refrain from making such hateful remarks. That’s inappropriate and totally not Christian 🤨 That kind of rhetoric is most distasteful!
I give up… I hope North Korea nukes you all. lol They said they will tame US arrogance with fire. Boy do i love them…
 
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It was a joke, and it was far less distasteful than US hypocrisy that you all display here.
 
We’re not all necessarily from the USA. You presented valid points and others presented good counterpoints. Discussions should not descend into bigotry and attacks.
 
Slobodan Milosevic’s post mortum verdict by UN international tribunal is that he was innocent. You don’t have to shed tears, but just to let you know.
 
Eastern Ukraine asked for nothing.
In Eastern and Southern Ukraine, during the calls for volunteers for military service, the number was not less than in the Western region of the country.
The Ukrainian army in some measure even Russian-speaking, because of recruits from the Eastern regions. There are of course in the country some Pro-Russian-minded people, but these agents of Kremlin are mostly from the Russian/Moscow Patriarchate.
Unfortunately sometimes this kind of Orthodox Taliban, is as treacherous organization inside of the country. It is very annoying especially when we are talking about Ukrainian soldiers who can come for advice or in need of guardianship.
 
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Slobodan Milosevic’s post mortum verdict by UN international tribunal is that he was innocent. You don’t have to shed tears, but just to let you know.
And Ratko Mladić et al.?
 
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unlike the US, Russia was not founded by exterminating Native population.
Yes, you are right. Before Columbus arrived, there were about 100 million native American Indians. Today, there are about 5 million. As Catholic Bishop Bartolome de las Casas has reported, native American Indians were tortured and brutally slaughtered, being treated as sub-human animals and slaves. It was the greatest act of genocide in world history, wiping out millions and millions of innocent people. AFAIK, there is no effort by Americans to return the land stolen from the native American Indian.
 
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Yes, you are right. Before Columbus arrived, there were about 100 million native
100 million is the highest estimate. Realistically, it was probably around 55million in ALL of the Americas! Now, it’s about 5 million in the USA.
wiping out millions and millions of innocent people.
Please remember to factor in diseases such as smallpox which killed far more natives than any genocidal campaign could alone.
there is no effort by Americans to return the land stolen from the native American Indian.
It’s not up to “Americans”. The Federal Government has no intention of helping anyone! It’s not right what happened; however, I believe your average citizen would prefer to live in peace rather than cheat their Native brothers and sisters. The government elites have long abused their power and created division.

 
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Yes, you are right. Before Columbus arrived, there were about 100 million native American Indians. Today, there are about 5 million
I have read as few as one million in what is now the United States. There were far larger Amerind populations south of here. Explorers and settlers did not run into huge population concentrations as was the case in Mexico. There were some fairly sizeable Indian towns in the Ohio Valley, but there were also enormous areas where nobody lived full time. The Ohio Valley tribes, for example, cleared Kentucky for a private hunting ground and wouldn’t let anybody settle there. In my own Ozark region, the Osage moved down from (probably) Minnesota and settled in the Missouri Valley. They cleared the Ozarks of all other Indians, again, for a private hunting reserve. The Indians who built Cahokia, the largest settlement along the Mississippi, were gone by the time settlers arrived.

The Great Plains couldn’t support large populations because it was difficult to grow or kill food there until the horse allowed Indians to follow and chase down the buffalo. But even after the population explosion caused by Indians’ acquiring horses, the plains tribes were never very large. Before whites arrived, the Comanche drove the Apache from the southern plains, but probably never numbered more than 45,000.

When settlers arrived, they entered largely unpopulated or underpopulated areas.

Las Casas wrote about Mexico. was probably right in saying many Indians in Mexico were slaughtered. But a lot of that was by other Indians. Cortez’ army was largely an army of Tlaxcalans, a tribe that hated the Aztecs. After the Spanish victory, many of them became “Spanish” grandees themselves.
 
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Well said! Thorough research reveals a more realistic picture. It’s not as sensational as some would like; however, it’s still sad…


An excellent book for research! I used it in college for a research paper.
 
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Please remember to factor in diseases such as smallpox which killed far more natives than any genocidal campaign could alone.
Amerinds were not previously exposed to Eurasian diseases and, in any event, had immune systems more geared to parasitic diseases than to bacterial or viral diseases. If things had been reversed, say, if a boatload of Aztecs journeyed to Europe, north Africa or China and returned, the result would have been exactly the same unless they all died of disease on the return journey. Eventually, widespread death from Eurasian diseases among Amerinds was inevitable, just as the staggering European death rate from the Black Death when it arrived from Asia, was inevitable.
 
It’s not up to “Americans”. The Federal Government has no intention of helping anyone!
I thought that the Americans say that the USA is the greatest democracy in the whole world. Even better than the democracy in Germany, France, England or Russia?
 
Firstly, “Unlike a Democracy in which the citizens themselves pass laws, in a Republic such as ours, citizens rule through the representatives they elect.” So, we’re technically a Republic… or at least we were founded as one. Now, we’re an Oligarchy http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Suffice to say that the United States is militarily and technologically powerful; however, we the people have very little power over major decisions. We’re not above reproach and neither are the countries you listed for we are all ruled by elites.
 
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we’re an Oligarchy
I didn’t know that the USA was an oligarchy. Is that similar to a dictatorship of some sort where the people have very little say in the running of the government? Who are the oligarchs running the USA government?
 
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