On the Number of Sins which God Pardons No More

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Hello my friends,
I know many of you may have heard and read this sermon yourselves, and after reading it myself, does the Church profess this as doctrine? That God Himself assigns to each person a number of sins they are within the limit of committing and should they surpass this limit, they will be forgiven no more? Does St. Alphonsus de Liguori wish us to take this sermon to heart as if WE did have a certain limit to the number of sins we were allowed to commit and living with that idea in mind? If anyone would kindly relay the Church’s opinion on this matter, it would be very much appreciated.

Thank you very much.
God bless you.
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No. There is no limit or quota to sins before you hit a point of no return. No matter how many, if one repents and firmly resolves to turn away from them, he will be forgiven in Confession. No ifs, no buts. There is no limit to God’s mercy.

The limit though, is in ourselves. One of the dangers of repeated sin is that one can lose the will to respond to God’s grace and refuse to seek forgiveness. We see this happen all the time. Heck, you probably know one or two people at least.
 
porthos11 said:
No. There is no limit or quota to sins before you hit a point of no return. No matter how many, if one repents and firmly resolves to turn away from them, he will be forgiven in Confession. No ifs, no buts. There is no limit to God’s mercy.

The limit though, is in ourselves. One of the dangers of repeated sin is that one can lose the will to respond to God’s grace and refuse to seek forgiveness. We see this happen all the time. Heck, you probably know one or two people at least.
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Hitler committed to many sins. He is a rare exception.
 
Fuerza said:
If he is not saved, it is not because his sins were too many or too great, but because he did not seek forgiveness.
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That’s not going to let you into heaven after you committed murder of over 50 million innocent Jewish people. Hitler just doesn’t get to say oh I’m sorry about that and get to go to heaven
 
Austere said:
Hello my friends,
I know many of you may have heard and read this sermon yourselves, and after reading it myself, does the Church profess this as doctrine? That God Himself assigns to each person a number of sins they are within the limit of committing and should they surpass this limit, they will be forgiven no more? Does St. Alphonsus de Liguori wish us to take this sermon to heart as if WE did have a certain limit to the number of sins we were allowed to commit and living with that idea in mind? If anyone would kindly relay the Church’s opinion on this matter, it would be very much appreciated.

Thank you very much.
God bless you.
:thankyou:
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I have heard of this as well.
I wonder though how does one know they have hit the end of their rope?

Hi Trintysaves what you are stating goes against the teaching of the Church
We not knowing the heart of man can not say for sure anything of the state of another’s
soul. We can say of a sinful person that their hearts have been so hardened against God due to their sinfulness, that they wouldn’t repent. even then it is still an assumption on our part and not fact.
 
fbl9 said:
I have heard of this as well.
I wonder though how does one know they have hit the end of their rope?

Hi Trintysaves what you are stating goes against the teaching of the Church
We not knowing the heart of man can not say for sure anything of the state of another’s
soul. We can say of a sinful person that their hearts have been so hardened against God due to their sinfulness, that they wouldn’t repent. even then it is still an assumption on our part and not fact.
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Yes, that is why I believe he wrote it in such a way as to make the congregation act as if they did; for if one was alloted only a limited amount of sins to commit, wouldn’t you be careful not to sin so liberally?
 
fbl9 said:
I have heard of this as well.
I wonder though how does one know they have hit the end of their rope?

Hi Trintysaves what you are stating goes against the teaching of the Church
We not knowing the heart of man can not say for sure anything of the state of another’s
soul. We can say of a sinful person that their hearts have been so hardened against God due to their sinfulness, that they wouldn’t repent. even then it is still an assumption on our part and not fact.
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It is not against Church teaching to believe that God would want nothing to do with the man who murdered millions of Jews
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
That’s not going to let you into heaven after you committed murder of over 50 million innocent Jewish people. Hitler just doesn’t get to say oh I’m sorry about that and get to go to heaven
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TheTrinitySaves said:
It is not against Church teaching to believe that God would want nothing to do with the man who murdered millions of Jews
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I am sorry to me it seemed as you were stating a fact not your own belief.😊
 
fbl9 said:
I am sorry to me it seemed as you were stating a fact not your own belief.😊
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The church teaches that we can unilaterally say some evil men are in hell but only in rare instances. Hitler is one of those rare instances
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
It is not against Church teaching to believe that God would want nothing to do with the man who murdered millions of Jews
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Yes, it is. Hitler was one of God’s children too, and whether or not he went to Hell had everything to do with his own lack of repentance, and nothing to do with God giving up on him.

Ever heard the Parable of the Lost Sheep? Jesus Himself said there would be more rejoicing in Heaven over one repentant sinner than 99 righteous souls. The greater the sinner, the greater the need for repentance. No one is too far gone to receive God’s mercy.

I doubt that Hitler repented, but he could have if he wanted to.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Yes, it is. Hitler was one of God’s children too, and whether or not he went to Hell had everything to do with his own lack of repentance, and nothing to do with God giving up on him.

Ever heard the Parable of the Lost Sheep? Jesus Himself said there would be more rejoicing in Heaven over one repentant sinner than 99 righteous souls. The greater the sinner, the greater the need for repentance. No one is too far gone to receive God’s mercy.
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Once again for some scenes a simple apology or confession is not sufficient enough to get into heaven. Hitler is in hell for two simple reasons. Number one he was a peer human evil mean with no remorse in him. Number 2 he murdered millions and millions of people. I think would be quite shocking if the simple confession allowed Hitler to go to heaven. Surely there’s presence would torment the millions of people he cruelly murdered in heaven
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
Once again for some scenes a simple apology or confession is not sufficient enough to get into heaven. Hitler is in hell for two simple reasons. Number one he was a peer human evil mean with no remorse in him. Number 2 he murdered millions and millions of people. I think would be quite shocking if the simple confession allowed Hitler to go to heaven. Surely there’s presence would torment the millions of people he cruelly murdered in heaven
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It’s presumption to claim knowledge that only God can have.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
It’s presumption to claim knowledge that only God can have.
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You could literally say the same thing about how most every issue in the world. Why do we presume that gay marriage is wrong. Why do we presume abortion is wrong. For the same reason that I presume Hitler is in hell.
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
You could literally say the same thing about how most every issue in the world. Why do we presume that gay marriage is wrong. Why do we presume abortion is wrong. For the same reason that I presume Hitler is in hell.
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Opposition to abortion and gay marriage are both rooted in scripture. Claiming to know who’s damned is not.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Opposition to abortion and gay marriage are both rooted in scripture. Claiming to know who’s damned is not.
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Opposition to killing innocent Jews is definitely rooted in Scripture. What are you talking about? I feel like I don’t understand your argument fully. Hitler was a terrible terrible human being he violated so many of God’s natural laws. It is rooted in Scripture that God would condemn him to Hell on his judgement day
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
Opposition to killing innocent Jews is definitely rooted in Scripture. What are you talking about? I feel like I don’t understand your argument fully. Hitler was a terrible terrible human being he violated so many of God’s natural laws. It is rooted in Scripture that God would condemn him to Hell on his judgement day
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St Paul killed early Christians. Yet he is a saint. Not for that, but it’s not like those things in his life never happened.

What is missing from your argument is an understanding of contrition. One cannot confess as if it were a magic incantation. It’s not a loophole. If a person who committed serious sins, even orchestrating the murder of millions of innocent people, experienced remorse and contrition and begged the Lord for forgiveness, that person could very well be saved.

Do I think the historical evidence available suggests that in Hitler’s case? No. But I can’t say it’s not possible. Only God knows our hearts.
 
TheTrinitySaves said:
That’s not going to let you into heaven after you committed murder of over 50 million innocent Jewish people. Hitler just doesn’t get to say oh I’m sorry about that and get to go to heaven
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I’m just a little curious where you got those numbers from some conservative estimates put the number of 5.9 million and the generally agreed number is 6 million and more people died in Soviet Union under Stalin and communist China under Mao Zedong than under Hitler now that’s not excusing what he did but if you’re going to make an accusation at least get your numbers right. I would like to know how you know whether or not Hitler was repentant at the moment of his death considering you weren’t there. I noticed you making the nasty habit of judging people Souls with no way of knowing one way or the other. I think you should be worried about your own salvation at this point. I don’t know whether or not you’re going to help but I can tell you that judging people’s Souls is not a good way to end up in heaven
 
adamhovey1988 said:
I’m just a little curious where you got those numbers from some conservative estimates put the number of 5.9 million and the generally agreed number is 6 million and more people died in Soviet Union under Stalin and communist China under Mao Zedong than under Hitler now that’s not excusing what he did but if you’re going to make an accusation at least get your numbers right. I would like to know how you know whether or not Hitler was repentant at the moment of his death considering you weren’t there. I noticed you making the nasty habit of judging people Souls with no way of knowing one way or the other. I think you should be worried about your own salvation at this point. I don’t know whether or not you’re going to help but I can tell you that judging people’s Souls is not a good way to end up in heaven
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I have made accusations against no souls except for Hitler. If I am being called a nasty person for criticizing Hitler I think I can be proud of that
 
Austere said:
Hello my friends,
I know many of you may have heard and read this sermon yourselves, and after reading it myself, does the Church profess this as doctrine? That God Himself assigns to each person a number of sins they are within the limit of committing and should they surpass this limit, they will be forgiven no more? Does St. Alphonsus de Liguori wish us to take this sermon to heart as if WE did have a certain limit to the number of sins we were allowed to commit and living with that idea in mind? If anyone would kindly relay the Church’s opinion on this matter, it would be very much appreciated.

Thank you very much.
God bless you.
:thankyou:
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I desire trust from My creatures. Encourage souls to place great trust in My fathomless mercy. Let the weak, sinful soul have no fear to approach Me, for even if it had more sins than there are grains of sand in the world, all would be drowned in the unmeasurable depths of My mercy. (1059)
divinemercy.org/index.php/elements-of-divine-mercy/novena-divine-mercy/82-diary-passages-about-the-novena.html
 
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