Once Catholic Austria now taken over by liberal priests

[Caveman]

Once known as a bulwark of Catholicism in central Europe, Austria is now nothing more than the poster boy of Our Lady of Akita.

In a telephone survey conducted by Austrian broadcaster ORF, 51% of the 500 priests surveyed were in favor of the ordination of women to the Catholic priesthood, despite the Church’s definitive pronouncement that this is a theological impossibility.

In 1994, Pope John Paul II said, “I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.”

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[Tigg]

I agree that everything our Blessed Mother warned about, appears to be coming true.

When/if bishops become heretical, does anyone know what recourse the faithful have?

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

I’m not sure I understand the headline. The priests might be liberal and in error but they’re still Catholic…

As to the Marian message:

The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests). Churches and altars will be sacked. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

That quote could apply to almost any period of history within the Church. Cardinals and bishops have opposed each other throughout Church history. Churches and altars were sacked during the Muslim conquest of the Middle East and the English Reformation. And many priests left during the Protestant Reformation.

 

[Tigg]

I’m not sure I understand the headline. The priests might be liberal and in error but they’re still Catholic…

As to the Marian message:

That quote could apply to almost any period of history within the Church. Cardinals and bishops have opposed each other throughout Church history. Churches and altars were sacked during the Muslim conquest of the Middle East and the English Reformation. And many priests left during the Protestant Reformation.

But the private revelation in Akita happened in 1973 after those eras. Perhaps I’m taking this too literally, but the message is translated as future tense. (will)

 

[Alan55]

I’m not sure I understand the headline. The priests might be liberal and in error but they’re still Catholic…

As to the Marian message:

That quote could apply to almost any period of history within the Church. Cardinals and bishops have opposed each other throughout Church history. Churches and altars were sacked during the Muslim conquest of the Middle East and the English Reformation. And many priests left during the Protestant Reformation.

In fact, the quote could apply to the attacks by traditionalists in Austria and other countries (including the U.S.) against those priests and bishops that they consider not fully Catholic.

 

[Caveman]

In fact, the quote could apply to the attacks by traditionalists in Austria and other countries (including the U.S.) against those priests and bishops that they consider not fully Catholic.

Alan, could you please give an example of “attacks by Traditionalists” against The Church? If anything, Traditionalists protect Holy Mother The Church from the daily attacks from the Modernists.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

But the private revelation in Akita happened in 1973 after those eras. Perhaps I’m taking this too literally, but the message is translated as future tense. (will)

I understand that. My point was that these things always happen. The Church has periods of peace and periods of termoil. And on a historical level, the Church isn’t in that bad of shape in today’s world so perhaps the 1973 message is yet to be fulfilled…

 

[wisdomseeker]

I understand that. My point was that these things always happen. The Church has periods of peace and periods of termoil. And on a historical level, the Church isn’t in that bad of shape in today’s world so perhaps the 1973 message is yet to be fulfilled…

I am sorry but i have to disagree with you. i dont think the things have ever been so bad is today. most problems have always been outside the Church and not within as it is today. homosexuals penetrating the Church and forward their agenda, when was this ever present in the Churhc?
how about false teachings spreading all over the Church of our Lord?

just ask fr. Corapi.

 

[archangel04]

In fact, the quote could apply to the attacks by traditionalists in Austria and other countries (including the U.S.) against those priests and bishops that they consider not fully Catholic.

What a low blow! Look around it’s traditionalist regardless wether they attend the EF or OF that are trying to keep the faith protected. The thing is that througout history, the enemies of the Church have usually come from the outside, when someone was declared a heretic they would just follow the protestant way. Now the enemy is inside and confusing many faithful Catholics, the Pope as spoke about this recently. With all the crazy and wild changed, the Western Civilization (atleast in morality) is haning by a thread. Just look at the recent video of St. Francis Xavier where Bishop Dolan allows so many abuses to occur at the Mass. Yet Bishop O’Connor of Madison WI get’s told off by his parishioners for bringing in more traditional priest.

 

[Hlafdige]

Austria has over 4000 priests. About 500 responded to a poll which included the issues of celibacy, women’s ordination, etc. How were those polled selected? How many priests known for their orthodoxy were not asked to participate? How many of those polled declined to respond to this spurious questionnaire?

Those questions aside: In 16th century Austria, people and priests deserted the Church in droves to follow Luther. Parishes were orphaned all over the place; a large proportion of those that were left were either fraught with the clerical vice and abuses that had given rise to Lutheranism in the first place, or contaminated with Lutheran doctrine being preached from the pulpit, or both.

What are faithful Catholics to do? The same thing they do when piety and orthodoxy are outwardly de rigueur in society and sin goes underground. They stand their ground. They educate themselves. They give thanks for what is left, frequent the sacraments, sacrifice and pray that God will awaken real saints in their midst so people will see the difference. He will come through. He has done so before.

‘Francis, go and repair my house which, as you see, is falling into ruin.’

 

[Tigg]

And on a historical level, the Church isn’t in that bad of shape in today’s world so perhaps the 1973 message is yet to be fulfilled…

I believe the Church to be in alarming shape; Mass attendance continues to dwindle and churches continue to close, only 30% of Catholics believe in the Real Presence, an overwhelming number have been divorced and re-married without benefit of an annulment, they contracept, and yet receive communion. Volumes have been written about the current crisis and loss of faith. Even Benedict recently spoke about the “dimming” of the light of Christ.

 

[Ahimsa]

It’s not a heresy to respond truthfully to a survey question.

Now, if the priests were preaching women’s ordination from the pulpit, that would be an issue.

Otherwise…:yawn:

 

[Elizabeth502]

I am sorry but i have to disagree with you. i dont think the things have ever been so bad is today. most problems have always been outside the Church and not within as it is today. homosexuals penetrating the Church and forward their agenda, when was this ever present in the Churhc?
how about false teachings spreading all over the Church of our Lord?

just ask fr. Corapi.

I very much disagree that it’s mainly an internal battle, and that internal battles are new to the Church. The early Church was under internal attack from heresies. And someone seems to have tripped lightly over the Reformation. That was definitely an internal attack.

Yes, there is controversy and disagreement within the Church, and not just within the laity by the way. Keep in mind a few things: (1) not all of that that disagreement, or even most of it, concerns official teachings; much of it concerns policy, priorities, matters of discipline, liturgical norms --all items which do change, and about which laity and clergy are allowed to have a variety of opinions; (2) a healthy organization is not afraid of a range of allowable opinion but encourages constructive dialogue which aims to strengthen and validate that organization’s presence within the world; (3) like the early church, which ever had to adapt to surrounding cultures it was converting and drawing from, as evidenced even from the different audiences of the different Gospels and the various Epistles, the modern church must also be “in the world but not of it.”

Number (3) is particularly challenging, radically so vs. the early church and any other era I can think of. Travel, communication, and migration combined make it very difficult for the church to continue to define itself and protect its integrity, while remaining in conversation with the world. The latter is not something we will be able to avoid, nor should we. But the diversity and the penetration of the secular world and non-Catholic religions remains the area of greatest challenge when it comes to communication and credibility.

 

[choy]

Alan, could you please give an example of “attacks by Traditionalists” against The Church? If anything, Traditionalists protect Holy Mother The Church from the daily attacks from the Modernists.

not always, some traditionalists go so far that they become disobedient to the leaders of the Church here on earth. sedevacantists are are good example

 

[Caveman]

not always, some traditionalists go so far that they become disobedient to the leaders of the Church here on earth. sedevacantists are are good example

Then he should have said “sedevacantists”, and not painted all Trads with such a large brush.

 

[Caveman]

It’s not a heresy to respond truthfully to a survey question.

Now, if the priests were preaching women’s ordination from the pulpit, that would be an issue.

Otherwise…:yawn:

It’s amazing to me that there are still some who find excuses for these wolves in sheep’s clothing.

To agree with heresy is heresy… period. Be it over the phone or from the pulpit.

Gee, and there are still some who refuse to recognize that the Church is dying. And more often than not, it’s out own priests, religious and laity that are holding the pillow over the face of Holy Mother the Church.

 

[Truism]

The same thing is happening in this country. Last weekend, Egan and Dolan of New York were busy endorsing the gay agenda of St. Francis Xavier. The Jesuits with all their various institutions and parishes are leading the parade to perdidition.

 

[mdgspencer]

It isn’t clear how much of a problem this is–someone here (if this is true) said only 500 of the priests in Austria were asked about women’s ordination. That said, if this does indicate a problem, the Church is now being reformed. For one thing, younger priests are more conservative now. Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI too are dealing with such problems.) In time, though it may take years, such problems will be dealt with (though unpleasant now.)
The original poster does not realize that the appearance of Mary at Atika in Japan got official approval from the local bishop and from the Vatican. (However, I won’t respond to any more posts on Akita, since previous threads on Akita have been deleted by moderators.)

 

[Hlafdige]

… the Church is dying.

Say what??
Matthew 16:18

 

[Ahimsa]

To agree with heresy is heresy… period.

Where does the Church teach this?