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Scott_Lafrance
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How do you expect God to bless this country with continued prosperity in the light of the ongoing holocaust of the innocent? I think God is cursing this country because of our unrepentant moral depravity.
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Scott_Lafrance
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A sobby goober named Glenn Beck was able to take him down, so…
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Rich_Olszewski
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I don’t know that he broadcasts on any station in central Arkansas. As conservative Qui est ce does, so do Iiberal I keep my radio tuned to NPR all day.
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colmywaykurtz
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I suspect she could have done better, too, except in one regard. Her hawkish statements on Iran at the time made me think (and still do) that we’d be at war there by now, had we elected her.Except for “duped,” I tend to agree. Voters weren’t fools and there was no trickery on his part to get the votes. They of their own free will and being of sound mind chose him. That they did wrong is obvious, but there was no sleight of hand.
As for me, I wanted Hillary as President. Her competence is unquestioned.
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ishii
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Rich, how are we going to work on abortion when Hillary would have nominated pro-abortion justices to the supreme court, ensuring that abortion on deman remain legal for another 50 years?
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Raskolnikov
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Who else are the Muslims going to vote for? The people that hate them?
The Republicans have no one to blame but themselves for not getting the Muslim vote. Muslim’s views, especially on family and moral issues, in addition to the fact that they are on average wealthier, better educated, and more politically active than the average American, would make them almost ideal conservatives, were it not for the fact that anti-Islam is at best an implicit plank of the GOP, and apparently on the way to becoming an explicit one. That dissenters from the bigotry like Chris Christie catch flack from some conservatives on this forum only further evidences that. If I were Muslim, I probably wouldn’t even consider voting for 9 out of 10 of Republicans.
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ishii
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Where is there in the GOP an anti-Islam plank?Who else are the Muslims going to vote for? The people that hate them?
The Republicans have no one to blame but themselves for not getting the Muslim vote. Muslim’s views, especially on family and moral issues, in addition to the fact that they are on average wealthier, better educated, and more politically active than the average American, would make them almost ideal conservatives, were it not for the fact that anti-Islam is at best an implicit plank of the GOP, and apparently on the way to becoming an explicit one. That dissenters from the bigotry like Chris Christie catch flack from some conservatives on this forum only further evidences that. If I were Muslim, I probably wouldn’t even consider voting for 9 out of 10 of Republicans.
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colmywaykurtz
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There doesn’t HAVE to be one. The overall rhetorical tone of GOP types, observed anecdotally, is probably what turns most American Muslims off from the GOP.
It’s probably not totally unreasonable.
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Raskolnikov
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Hence the term implicit. As Islamiphobes would say, the GOP is still somewhat teathered enough to “political correctness.” Nonetheless, Republican politicians saying bad things about Muslims has become an almost regular affair. Note that there a decent many who have not succumbed to the demagogy, and it is a fairly recent trend within the GOP, but at any rate, it is perfectly understandable that American Muslims would be very very sceptical of a party a significant portion of whose influential members have expressed negative opinions of Islam and Muslims. Not to say that it questionable attitudes aren’t present among come Democrats as well. But when you’re the most hated minority in America, you can’t exact; afford to be picky. Again, it’s unfortunate for both, because most Muslims are not particularly liberal on most issues.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Nah, they’ll vote for the ones that will promise them things that they have no intention of delivering.Who else are the Muslims going to vote for? The people that hate them?
The Republicans have no one to blame but themselves for not getting the Muslim vote. Muslim’s views, especially on family and moral issues, in addition to the fact that they are on average wealthier, better educated, and more politically active than the average American, would make them almost ideal conservatives, were it not for the fact that anti-Islam is at best an implicit plank of the GOP, and apparently on the way to becoming an explicit one. That dissenters from the bigotry like Chris Christie catch flack from some conservatives on this forum only further evidences that. If I were Muslim, I probably wouldn’t even consider voting for 9 out of 10 of Republicans.
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Darryl1958
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Exactly.
It is not explicit, but since the left’s caricature of people on the right is that we are racist, therefore, we must be thinking hatred of Muslim’s even if nobody outside of a straggler here in there is actually acting on it explicitly.
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ishii
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So far you have only hearsay - I wish you could provide an example of one of these Republicans saying bad things about Muslims - if its a “regular affair” then you should be able to easily provide some examples. I would like to see them please. If you are thinking of what Juan Williams said on Fox news: “when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.” Williams is, of course, a Democrat.
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Darryl1958
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It has more to do with the leftist and MSM rhetoric about what the GOP really believes, and anecdotal evidence such as that.
For sure though, any Muslims that itch for sharia type law are philosophically and ideologically closer to the Dems and the totalitarian bent of the left, and really ought not to support the party of smaller government and individual freedoms. American conservative ideology and sharia are inimical to each other.
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Good call!
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Darryl1958
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Liberals in Canada could always count on the immigrant vote. Liberals and the left employed the same fear and smear tactics against conservatives and the scary danger on the right.
Then one day immigrants woke up and realized that they are as a group the conservative ones in our society. They are the ones with the small business ambitions, the family values, and the stricter social and sexual mores than even your typical indigenous conservative possesses.
I mean the most multi-racial, multi-ethnic, mutli-cultural city in the world, Toronto, went conservative for heavens sakes!
It is a new phenomena, but it is changing the face of Canadian politics.
Before 911, American Muslims were moving closer to the Republican party. After 911, Bush could talk all about the Religion of Peace that he wanted, but it wasn
t going to change the fact that any American with an ounce of integrity and honesty wasn’t totally aware of the fact that Islamists are playing a very major part in that religion.
It is difficult times for Muslims in America, for sure.
On the other hand, what the Dems have done for Blacks, they now promise to do for Muslims who vote for them too. Older Muslims may not notice that they are voting for the party that supports abortions for kids without their parents permission, but for sure their daughters will. Children notice who their mon and dad are calling the good guys, and who they are calling the bad gusy. If the good guys like abortion, then it is not so bad after all.
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Raskolnikov
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I don’t think they’re expecting all that much. They probably just want the one is has the least detestation for them. The Muslims i know haven’t exacvtly acquired a political optimism from experience of political life in American.
This one, Darryl, is absolutely hilarious. Liberal social policy and Sharia law? Lock an Islamist in a room with a typical liberal, they’ll probably kill each other within an hour (more likely the Islamist would win the fight). Lock an Islamist in a room with Pat Buchanan? They might actually agree on a few things.
Of course, Darryl, you prove my point. Would you expect a Muslim to vote for a candiate who uses the same kind of rhetoric you do? Who thinks David Horowits is a reliable source on Islam? Who repeatedly attempts to subtly equate being Muslim with being a toatalitarian theocrat? Muslims have every pragmatic reason to distrust most Republicans. And it’s not a straw man either. I don’t pretend that all or even most republican are racists (I know a few Democrats who can’t even hear the word ‘Muslim’ mentioned without immediately making some smart-*** remark equating them all with terrorists. But I do know that a hatred of Muslims in general is among the most acceptable prejudices in America today, alongside anti-Catholicism.
And of course, by your logic, Catholicism is inimical to republicanism. We are ecclesiastical monarchists, with power centralized at the top. Of course, those who continue to believe in the great “liberal-Muslim conspiracy” nonsense will believe as they will. But they should recall that they appear to have been doing everytrhing in their power to chase Muslims into the other camp (and if a few nuts had their way, out of the country). When Governor Christie appointed one as a judge, it was these particular nuts who souted “Al-Qaeda!!” Maybe New Jersey Muslims will feel comfortable supporting Christie after he stuck to his guns against the bigots, but will the ones in Texas feel the same way?
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Raskolnikov
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Nice wordsmithing here. You use the passive tense when anyone but those evil Muslims is to blame for anything. Except you forget that it was that Right that drove the Muslims into the Democrats’ arms. After 9/11, it’s not like Muslims got more ‘terroristy.’ They got spooked by the wave of detestation that swept through America. But so many continue to believe that the American Muslim comunity has an extremist core somewhere, that they have are largely susceptible to ‘Islamism’ in spite of all the evidence. They forget that this isn’t Iran; It’s not even Britain. But, at any rate, nothing is ever ‘the Right’s’ fault for you. They didn’t drive the Muslims away, they just uncovered “the influence of Islamism” on American Muslims (a fallacy that usually only people who who don’t know any Muslims are capable of believing). Right. A Muslim friend of mine gets asked what his religion is a lot, and no matter how much he sugar coats it, talking about how he respects all faiths and doesn’t like war and all that, when he concludes, and admits that he is a Muslim, Christians, Jews, and atheists alike still tend to scowl in surprise and distance themselves. I’m guessing that’s their fault too.
Oh, that damned Ayatollah Khoemeini, curse him for making us spread fear of Muslims! Apparently personal responsibility is only single-edged sword.
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Caldera
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I cannot help but wonder where you get your info.I don’t think they’re expecting all that much. They probably just want the one is has the least detestation for them. The Muslims i know haven’t exacvtly acquired a political optimism from experience of political life in American.
This one, Darryl, is absolutely hilarious. Liberal social policy and Sharia law? Lock an Islamist in a room with a typical liberal, they’ll probably kill each other within an hour (more likely the Islamist would win the fight). Lock an Islamist in a room with Pat Buchanan? They might actually agree on a few things.
Of course, Darryl, you prove my point. Would you expect a Muslim to vote for a candiate who uses the same kind of rhetoric you do? Who thinks David Horowits is a reliable source on Islam? Who repeatedly attempts to subtly equate being Muslim with being a toatalitarian theocrat? Muslims have every pragmatic reason to distrust most Republicans. And it’s not a straw man either. I don’t pretend that all or even most republican are racists (I know a few Democrats who can’t even hear the word ‘Muslim’ mentioned without immediately making some smart-*** remark equating them all with terrorists. But I do know that a hatred of Muslims in general is among the most acceptable prejudices in America today, alongside anti-Catholicism.
And of course, by your logic, Catholicism is inimical to republicanism. We are ecclesiastical monarchists, with power centralized at the top. Of course, those who continue to believe in the great “liberal-Muslim conspiracy” nonsense will believe as they will. But they should recall that they appear to have been doing everytrhing in their power to chase Muslims into the other camp (and if a few nuts had their way, out of the country). When Governor Christie appointed one as a judge, it was these particular nuts who souted “Al-Qaeda!!” Maybe New Jersey Muslims will feel comfortable supporting Christie after he stuck to his guns against the bigots, but will the ones in Texas feel the same way?
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