One in four Democrats wants to dump Obama

[ishii]

Nice wordsmithing here. You use the passive tense when anyone but those evil Muslims is to blame for anything. Except you forget that it was that Right that drove the Muslims into the Democrats’ arms. After 9/11, it’s not like Muslims got more ‘terroristy.’ They got spooked by the wave of detestation that swept through America. But so many continue to believe that the American Muslim comunity has an extremist core somewhere, that they have are largely susceptible to ‘Islamism’ in spite of all the evidence. They forget that this isn’t Iran; It’s not even Britain. But, at any rate, nothing is ever ‘the Right’s’ fault for you. They didn’t drive the Muslims away, they just uncovered “the influence of Islamism” on American Muslims (a fallacy that usually only people who who don’t know any Muslims are capable of believing). Right. A Muslim friend of mine gets asked what his religion is a lot, and no matter how much he sugar coats it, talking about how he respects all faiths and doesn’t like war and all that, when he concludes, and admits that he is a Muslim, Christians, Jews, and atheists alike still tend to scowl in surprise and distance themselves. I’m guessing that’s their fault too. Oh, that damned Ayatollah Khoemeini, curse him for making us spread fear of Muslims! Apparently personal responsibility is only single-edged sword.

So now, having failed to provide any real example of Republican politicians saying bad things about Muslims, you now resort to hearsay: “my friend the Muslim…blah blah blah.” Let me know when you can actually back up your claims with evidence/examples and not just your impression.

Ishii

 

[colmywaykurtz]

Exactly.
It is not explicit, but since the left’s caricature of people on the right is that we are racist, therefore, we must be thinking hatred of Muslim’s even if nobody outside of a straggler here in there is actually acting on it explicitly.

This is really reaching, Darryl. It’s like Dinesh D’Souza’s contention that jihadism is not the fault of Saudi Arabian Wahabbist preaching and funding and of the Pakistani ISI’s manipulations, but can rather be laid at the door of American leftist ideology.

 

[Darryl1958]

This is really reaching, Darryl. It’s like Dinesh D’Souza’s contention that jihadism is not the fault of Saudi Arabian Wahabbist preaching and funding and of the Pakistani ISI’s manipulations, but can rather be laid at the door of American leftist ideology.

Your analogy makes no sense.I don’t even agree with Dinesh on that point.
People are responsible for their own evil, thank you very much.

What its like is a leftist character assasination where they can’t even be bothered with gathering appropriate evidence, so they say it is implicit

 

[Darryl1958]

So now, having failed to provide any real example of Republican politicians saying bad things about Muslims, you now resort to hearsay: “my friend the Muslim…blah blah blah.” Let me know when you can actually back up your claims with evidence/examples and not just your impression.

Ishii

Good point, Anecdotal evidence of what a Muslim friend may have said has all the weight as ’ a little birdie told me’ in terms of argument.

 

[Holly3278]

This is definitely good news. I hope and pray that Obama loses the 2012 elections. I do not wish evil upon anyone. However, I don’t think it would be evil for Obama to lose the elections.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Rich, how are we going to work on abortion when Hillary would have nominated pro-abortion justices to the supreme court, ensuring that abortion on deman remain legal for another 50 years?

I honestly believe that she would have been a more competent adminstrator and leader of our nation than Obama - by far - and than McCain - by a decent margin.

I’m not asking anyone to agree. It is what I and millions of others believe about her competence to have been POTUS. You can believe that Palin or Bachmann would have been a better President. Fine.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I honestly believe that she would have been a more competent adminstrator and leader of our nation than Obama - by far - and than McCain - by a decent margin.

I’m not asking anyone to agree. It is what I and millions of others believe about her competence to have been POTUS. You can believe that Palin or Bachmann would have been a better President. Fine.

I have to agree that I think Clinton would have been better than Obama.

 

[Nordar]

I cannot help but wonder where you get your info.

Ditto! was just wondering the exact same thing!

 

[Nordar]

Raskolnikov;8318740:

On the contrary, it is leftist politicians that are the ones who are throwing their support behind the Hamas and Hizbollahs of the region against the only liberal democracy there.
Thread after thread here bears this out.

I would expect a Muslim like Irshad Manji to vote for a candidate like that, or people from Muslim cultures such as Hirsi Ali and others to understand the truth behind my words rather than seeing them as haterful rhetoric.
I would not expect a Muslim who buys into all the Islamist information supplied to them by Saudi petro-dollars to support me.
Like the people in Toronto that I was talking about, they would have to wake up first, and stop drinking the Kool-aid that leftists and Islamists have been feeding them through Wahhabi literature and the institutions that the left are now firmly in control of.

For sure, for Muslims in America to now vote conservative is a hard sell. We can only remind them that as they support the leftist message of free abortions and condoms for all, so will their daughters. If that is what they are about, then vote Democrat by all means.

If not, they are more than welcome in any legitimate conservative movement. They have the character to be the leaders of such a movement.
It would be a tough decision for sure. Irshad Manji has received her share of death threats as a result of such a message to her fellow Muslims—and heck she is even a liberal!! Really she is!

Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of man?
THE SHADOW KNOWS
the shadow and— now Raskalnikov.

Oooh you can see right through my mind.

Scary stuff.
Of course you know that because that is what I said—implicitly of course. You can’t quote me on that.

Actually, true liberals are anti-totalitarian. Leftist politics are not.
Liberal Muslims therefore would be against totalitarianism and sharia, as indeed liberal Irshad Manji undoubtedly is.

Islamists are not.

The problem with your argument, Rashkalnikov, is that you have either failed to read, or for political reasons, you have failed to acknowledge, the repeated great distinctions that I have continually made between a Muslim and an Islamist, a leftist and a liberal.
Certainly as leftism absorbs the former world inhabited by liberals, and Islamist envelops more and more of the world of Muslims, there becomes less and less of a distinction.

That is the grave danger that both the West and the House of Islam both face today.

But for anyone with an ounce of intelligence to not note the great success that Qutb and sharia-loving Islamists have had in gaining so much political and social influence in country after country across the Islamic world, then they lack integrity and honesty.
I am not giving you rocket science here. This is simple as 1+1=2.

Republican Christie shot the nuts down with hard facts and a no-nonsense unequivocal response to them.
The thread about this very topic here went much the same way.

Those who took a serious look at the evidence here of conservative persuasion tended to support Christie, not as a knee-jerk reaction such as is common with liberals and leftists, but after critically examining the facts available to us.

 

[ishii]

I honestly believe that she would have been a more competent adminstrator and leader of our nation than Obama - by far - and than McCain - by a decent margin.

I’m not asking anyone to agree. It is what I and millions of others believe about her competence to have been POTUS. You can believe that Palin or Bachmann would have been a better President. Fine.

Kind of like a Mayor Daley? Or some other kind of no-nonsense Democrat? I understand where you’re coming from and leaving aside the whole point of her being a committed liberal ideologue and the fact that she’d push her liberal social agenda (abortion rights, chidlren’s rights, gay rights, etc.) what about her makes you think she’d be a competent administrator?

Ishii

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Kind of like a Mayor Daley? Or some other kind of no-nonsense Democrat? I understand where you’re coming from and leaving aside the whole point of her being a committed liberal ideologue and the fact that she’d push her liberal social agenda (abortion rights, chidlren’s rights, gay rights, etc.) what about her makes you think she’d be a competent administrator?

Her record as a Senator and Secretary of State. Her conservative collegues in the Senate gave her high marks for her competence and willingness to work with them. To be sure, if she were making the blind to see and the lame to walk, it wouldn’t be enough for a lot of conservatives, but I’m not giving her those faculties, just saying that IMO and that of others, she would be a competent administrator.

You say, “but, no, you’re wrong; I think that she…” Okay, I’ll chalk that up to what doesn’t please people about her.

 

[rlg94086]

I honestly believe that she would have been a more competent adminstrator and leader of our nation than Obama - by far - and than McCain - by a decent margin.

I’m not asking anyone to agree. It is what I and millions of others believe about her competence to have been POTUS. You can believe that Palin or Bachmann would have been a better President. Fine.

I’m pretty sure that I already agreed. I would have preferred Romney or McCain over either Clinton or Obama, but I have no doubt that Clinton would have done better than Obama.

 

[ishii]

Her record as a Senator and Secretary of State. Her conservative collegues in the Senate gave her high marks for her competence and willingness to work with them. To be sure, if she were making the blind to see and the lame to walk, it wouldn’t be enough for a lot of conservatives, but I’m not giving her those faculties, just saying that IMO and that of others, she would be a competent administrator.

You say, “but, no, you’re wrong; I think that she…” Okay, I’ll chalk that up to what doesn’t please people about her.

Well she might be a competent administrator, but my worry is she’d be competent at pushing through the liberal programs she believes in. This reminds me of the 1988 election when Dukakis said, “this election is not about ideology, its about competence.” The only thing is, if the nominee is a liberal or conservative, the election will be about ideology, just as it was for Dukakis. If you’re looking for administrative competence you could do better with a GOP governor than with Hillary. Of course, then you’d object to their conservatism. In the end, its about ideology isn’t it?

Ishii

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

If you’re looking for administrative competence you could do better with a GOP governor than with Hillary.

Or maybe better with any governor, GOP or Democratic. There’s my governor, Mike Beebe, and Mark O’Malley and Steve Beshear, as well as your Bobby Jindal and Chris Christie for examples.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Or maybe better with any governor, GOP or Democratic. There’s my governor, Mike Beebe, and Mark O’Malley and Steve Beshear, as well as your Bobby Jindal and Chris Christie for examples.

ALl things considered, I like the no-nonsense, straight-talking Christie.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

ALl things considered, I like the no-nonsense, straight-talking Christie.

No-nonsense, straight-talking - to be sure!: “Get the hell off the beach” and “I’m tired of dealing with anti-Muslim crazies.”

 

[Darryl1958]

Zero job growth in the economic reports today. It would be worse but many people have jsut stopped looking.
The market is down 10 % since May.

Even Obama is asking the Environmental Protecton Agency to back off a little now.

At least the Clintons recognized that it was the economy, stupid.

 

[ishii]

Or maybe better with any governor, GOP or Democratic. There’s my governor, Mike Beebe, and Mark O’Malley and Steve Beshear, as well as your Bobby Jindal and Chris Christie for examples.

You’re probably right.