One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

[vz71]

That is quite true. Unless you want to accept the idea that you are walking and talking meat that responds to outside stimuli only, and that your whole view of reality is simply a series of chemical reactions in the brain.

Peace,
Ed

Precisely the view that the local schools end up teaching.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

I suggest that every skeptic of ID read recent articles on creationsafaris.com to understand the impossiblity of life arising without God. Students deserve to understand the reasoning of people who believe in ID. REAL scientists are unafraid of a competitive joust of ideas. Rob

REAL scientists have nothing to fear. And what’s with this “the impossiblity of
life arising without God”? Does Evolution say otherwise? Intelligent-Designists
have their reasons, I know, but they are unsupported by science. Also, where
did this “but moreover b/c it posits that organisms would have emerged spon-
taneously, with or without a Creator designing them” come from? Where does
the scientific community say this for certain?

 

[RACJ]

OK. You have a lot in common with apes. Do you like bananas? Hey, they like bananas too! Anyways topics like these have a tendency to go on and on and i frankly am not getting much done. Missed some Dr. Phil reruns on account of all this back and forth. I hope your happy! [joking]

Dr. Phil was saying something about horses in a swamp full of June bugs, if that helps you rest more easily. Sorry you missed it.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Under what premise?

But how does any of that apply to me?

 

[edwest2]

Absolutely. Seems they cannot see the forest from the trees. If a human and an ape share 98+ genetic similarity then we have more in common then we would like to think. That is their premise. Following their logic it is reasonable to ask how much do we have in common with a fruit fly if if we have 50%? A dog if we have 75%? Everyone knows there is far more of a difference between humans and apes than 2% if one looks at the big picture as opposed to the narrow lens they are looking through. Biologists re writing history with zero historical precedent. Now who is out of their field?

It’s not as similar as we’re led to believe.

evolutionnews.org/2010/04/recent_genetic_research_shows034291.html

sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/12/131218133658.htm

uanews.org/story/mystery-peeled-banana-genome

Peace,
Ed

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

I point out evolution is being used to tell us what we are.
It cannot, it does not explain the soul.
It is your own words that indicate the theory being used to explain what we are…
The theory fails this.

You are taking me out of context, which is so like a Creationists or whatever you are.

What am I? I am a human. What is a human? A human is a
soul-endowed homo-sapien of the hominid family of species.
Where did the soul come from? God. How? God created it.
What about the homo-sapien part?
For that we need evolution to explain.
You: FAIL FAIL FAIL!

Rational Thinker: :ehh:
​

God doesn’t explain everything to us, for he gave us minds to figure
out the physical world. I don’t know about you, but many of us have
this special gift to learn about the Creation of God. We also do not
appeal to only one single field to explain everything, but many.

 

[RACJ]

REAL scientists have nothing to fear. And what’s with this “the impossiblity of
life arising without God”? Does Evolution say otherwise? Intelligent-Designists
have their reasons, I know, but they are unsupported by science. Also, where
did this “but moreover b/c it posits that organisms would have emerged spon-
taneously, with or without a Creator designing them” come from? Where does
the scientific community say this for certain?

Sorry Judas, but more Christians have lost their faith thanks to the idea that God can be excluded from origins theory. Ask any evolutionist in a classroom if life could have arisen and evolved WITHOUT God, and the reply will be either maybe or yes. You are kidding yourself if you believe otherwise. ID is fully supported by probability theory and logic.
I’m sorry, but anyone who tells you that they know how muscles, bones and tendons could have evolved separate from each other, when all three must exist simultaneously fror any of them to be functional, (not to mention all the other systems running through them), is blowing smoke. Students should be encouraged to fairly contemplate both sides, and decide.
Yes, indeed, IMO biology teachers who deny students the tools to think critically about the essence of life are doing a grave disservice to them, and are basically cowards who fear exposure. Blessings, Rob

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Do you believe this is being explained to students in public schools?

That this theory only describes our biology, but we are really much more?

Well society is under the impression that most people are smart.

 

[lynnvinc]

NEW YORK (Reuters) - One-third of Americans reject the idea of evolution and Republicans have grown more skeptical about it, according to a poll released on Monday.

Sixty percent of Americans say that “humans and other living things have evolved over time,” the telephone survey by the Pew Research Center’s Religion and Public Life Project showed (Click pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/ for the full survey).

But 33 percent reject the idea of evolution, saying that “humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time,” Pew said in a statement.

news.yahoo.com/one-third-americans-reject-evolution-poll-shows-191426764.html

I’ve come to the thinking that rejection of evolution in this day and age may be a sin (akin to lying), tho I’m not sure. Truth cannot deny truth – which means to me that God knows how he created creation (big bang, evolution), and now we have found out thru science. The ancients, of course, did not have the benefits of modern science, so they are completely sinless in their wrong beliefs about creation.

But if it is a sin to reject evolution, it would not be as much a sin as rejection of anthropogenic climate change and refusal to mitigate it, which would be akin to participating in the killing of people and others of God’s creatures and a refusal to acknowledge such. Chips off the ole Cain block.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Sorry Judas, but more Christians have lost their faith thanks to the idea that God can be excluded from origins theory.

No, Christians drop the faith in relation to evolution when they are
incapable of rationalizing the allegorical language of the Bible and
the physical evidence seen. Also Christians will be ostracized by
Creationists, if they believe in Evolution, driving them also to drop-
ping the faith. The thing is that you WANT evolution to deny God,
which is another factor leading Christians to drop the faith.
It is the fault of the rather recent Creationist Movement.
Glorious Irony, yes?

Ask any evolutionist in a classroom if life could have arisen and evolved WITHOUT God, and the reply will be either maybe or yes. You are kidding yourself if you believe otherwise. ID is fully supported by probability theory and logic.
I’m sorry, but anyone who tells you that they know how muscles, bones and tendons could have evolved separate from each other, when all three must exist simultaneously fror any of them to be functional, (not to mention all the other systems running through them), is blowing smoke. Students should be encouraged to fairly contemplate both sides, and decide.

“…and the reply will be either maybe or yes,” bet your soul on that, would ya?
Intelligent Design, in so far as metaphysics and philosophy, almost, but not all
the way. “…blowing smoke” too? Not really, no.

Yes, indeed, IMO biology teachers who deny students the tools to think critically about the essence of life are doing a grave disservice to them, and are basically cowards who fear exposure. Blessings, Rob

I don’t think so, you do though,
but only think so, and want so.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Precisely the view that the local schools end up teaching.

Because it is NOT THEIR JOB!
Public Schools are designed to teach math, literature, science, etc, not religion.

 

[edwest2]

Do you believe this is being explained to students in public schools?

That this theory only describes our biology, but we are really much more?

No. Students are led to believe that we are just an animal, nothing more. That is why non-Catholic Christian Sunday Schools and the Catholic Church will continue to teach the whole truth.

Peace,
Ed

 

[freeRadical]

Pretty much, yeah. Don’t let a mathematician teach you history. Don’t let a Chemist teach you literature. And don’t let a philosopher teach you evolution. Its a principle everyone follows all the time.

Don’t let some random poster on CAF teach you evolution. What qualifications do you have? Why should we listen to you? Are you an expert?

BECAUSE YOU DON’T. Your improper terminology usage, your lack of proper terminology, and your confusion at our use of proper terminology PROVES you don’t. Don’t act for one second like you do. We both know you don’t.

Thank you for proving my statement correct. You have a very presumptuous and prideful attitude.

 

[Darryl1958]

Because it is NOT THEIR JOB!
Public Schools are designed to teach math, literature, science, etc, not religion.

Catholic education and a voucher system which is more holistic in scope is therefore a better alternative than the failed public school system.
An education that does not have teaching values at the very heart of it is literally valueless.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

No. Students are led to believe that we are just an animal, nothing more.

That’s not true either, you only want it to be true.

That is why non-Catholic Christian Sunday Schools and the Catholic Church will continue to teach the whole truth.

Guess what? The Catholic Church does not refute Evolution!!! :extrahappy:
True though, She chooses no official stance on Evolution, the Church does consider
the Theory of Evolution POSSIBLE, and that it is A-O-K to believe in Evolution, know-
ing full well that it doesn’t deny God, the soul, nor that it affects Christianity anyway.

Oh, One More:
This is why Public Schools teach academic subjects and why Sunday Schools teach religion.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Catholic education and a voucher system which is more holistic in scope is therefore a better alternative than the failed public school system.
An education that does not have teaching values at the very heart of it is literally valueless.

Please see the following reply under the phrase " Oh, One More:".

The public school system isn’t failing, it’s just not doing what you want it to do, teach religion and discipline children with a yardstick.

 

[Darryl1958]

Please see the following reply under the phrase " Oh, One More:".

The public school system isn’t failing, it’s just not doing what you want it to do, teach religion and discipline children with a yardstick.

On the contrary, the public school system in America is the most expensive in the world, and is delivering mediocre results compared to nations with much smaller budgets for education.
Worse, it is delivering mediocre results in the core subjects such as the maths and the sciences.

School vouchers for such things as Catholic education are the better way to go.

 

[Darryl1958]

Assuredly, Catholic education no longer is all about the board of education being applied to the seat of learning either.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

On the contrary, the public school system in America is the most expensive in the world, and is delivering mediocre results compared to nations with much smaller budgets for education.
Worse, it is delivering mediocre results in the core subjects such as the maths and the sciences.

School vouchers for such things as Catholic education are the better way to go.

The burden of proof is on you now. Prove that the education system is destroying America.
Prove this comparison you are making with other nations.
Go on, prove it.

What is so mediocre about math and science, AND . . . Do you have a GED?

So you want to FORCE Catholic Education on the entire country?
Please correct me if that’s not the case.
I personally don’t think it’s good that there are other religions, but
that’s a long way before I think it okay to FORCE Hindu students
to take classes on Catholicism.

 

[Darryl1958]

The burden of proof is on you now. Prove that the education system is destroying America.