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pnewton
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That was one. That was the straw man fallacy.
Only 31 deaths of children under age 15 involving COVID-19. Common flu-related child deaths from 37 to 187 during regular flu season. Should Governors
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Montrose
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May I ask what country that is?
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tuffsmurf
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I am from Sweden.
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Irishmom2
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I hope you don’t throw me in with the people who do think that. That isn’t what I said at all. I said the idea of shutting schools permanently Is ridiculous.
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Gertabelle
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Here in Colorado, children ages 0-9 account for approx. 2.5% (n=1131) of all cases (n=40,566). Of those infected, 4.95% of the children required hospitalization.
Children ages 10-19 account for 6.5% (n=2619) of all cases. Of those infected, 3.39% required hospitalization, and three died.
My students range in age from 5 to 13. I teach music at a K-7 school, and will have 160-ish students per day. Seven classes for 40 minutes each every day.
As for the ability of children to transfer the virus… dang, there has been virtually no research done in this area. Schools aren’t open at present. And contact tracing is barely happening in the US.
Regarding “suffocating” masks… give it a rest. Seriously. I am obese, have asthma, and yet I’m still able to do cardio and strength-training workouts (i.e., walk/run and parkour) with a mask on! And within 20 minutes, I guarantee my double-layered, homemade, cotton cloth mask is soaked through with sweat. Can’t breathe with a mask on? Rubbish!
Finally, as a teacher in the public schools, I have been told that I am expected to return to school August 11 (St Clare, pray for us!) and students will return August 20. I don’t have the means to “just quit” or take a leave of absence. And I very much resent being the canary in the coal mine for other late-opening school districts.
How many teachers and school personnel have to be hospitalized before we realize this was a bad idea? How many are you willing to sacrifice? How many of our loved ones have to become infected, die?
When school starts, I will be confining my movements to home and school only. In spite of the fact that my life is being considered collateral damage, I will not take the chance of spreading the virus should I become infected. I’ll buy groceries through curbside pickup, and I’ll no longer attend mass, and I’ll no longer meet friends to train parkour. I’ll return to online juggling classes (instead of in person).
You’re welcome.
And just to be clear, I’m taking time these last weeks of summer to write a will, establish a durable power of attorney, and make a list of actions to take should I become seriously ill, or Heaven forbid, I die. I am writing letters to my teenage son, my mom, my brother… I’m giving all of this to my ex-husband to hold onto for me, because I have no other family in the area.
This virus is serious. The risks are real.
Personally I’m getting a little tired of the cavalier and sometimes even hostile attitudes I’m seeing towards teachers’ lives.
Children ages 10-19 account for 6.5% (n=2619) of all cases. Of those infected, 3.39% required hospitalization, and three died.
My students range in age from 5 to 13. I teach music at a K-7 school, and will have 160-ish students per day. Seven classes for 40 minutes each every day.
As for the ability of children to transfer the virus… dang, there has been virtually no research done in this area. Schools aren’t open at present. And contact tracing is barely happening in the US.
Regarding “suffocating” masks… give it a rest. Seriously. I am obese, have asthma, and yet I’m still able to do cardio and strength-training workouts (i.e., walk/run and parkour) with a mask on! And within 20 minutes, I guarantee my double-layered, homemade, cotton cloth mask is soaked through with sweat. Can’t breathe with a mask on? Rubbish!
Finally, as a teacher in the public schools, I have been told that I am expected to return to school August 11 (St Clare, pray for us!) and students will return August 20. I don’t have the means to “just quit” or take a leave of absence. And I very much resent being the canary in the coal mine for other late-opening school districts.
How many teachers and school personnel have to be hospitalized before we realize this was a bad idea? How many are you willing to sacrifice? How many of our loved ones have to become infected, die?
When school starts, I will be confining my movements to home and school only. In spite of the fact that my life is being considered collateral damage, I will not take the chance of spreading the virus should I become infected. I’ll buy groceries through curbside pickup, and I’ll no longer attend mass, and I’ll no longer meet friends to train parkour. I’ll return to online juggling classes (instead of in person).
You’re welcome.
And just to be clear, I’m taking time these last weeks of summer to write a will, establish a durable power of attorney, and make a list of actions to take should I become seriously ill, or Heaven forbid, I die. I am writing letters to my teenage son, my mom, my brother… I’m giving all of this to my ex-husband to hold onto for me, because I have no other family in the area.
This virus is serious. The risks are real.
Personally I’m getting a little tired of the cavalier and sometimes even hostile attitudes I’m seeing towards teachers’ lives.
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1cthlctrth
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Sweden’s public health agency released a report that found that between February 24 and June 14, there was no measurable direct impact on the number of coronavirus cases among school-aged children in Finland, which closed schools, and Sweden, which kept schools open, Reuters reported.
A German study released Monday also found that the virus doesn’t spread easily in schools, and children may actually as as a “brake” on chains of infection.
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RuthAnne
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Are you calling me an idiot because I don’t vaccinate my kids?
And just to be clear. I’m not anti-vax. I’m pro-choice. We choose not to vaccinate. If you choose to vaccinate, I’m fine with that.
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1cthlctrth
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1cthlctrth:
Above age 10 we are not so sure about that
In the new Pediatrics study, Klara M. Posfay-Barbe, M.D., a faculty member at University of Geneva’s medical school, and her colleagues studied the households of 39 Swiss children infected with Covid-19. Contract tracing revealed that in only three (8%) was a child the suspected index case, with symptom onset preceding illness in adult household contacts.
In a recent study in China, researchers’ contact tracing demonstrated that of the 68 children with Covid-19 admitted to Qingdao Women’s and Children’s Hospital from January 20 to February 27, 2020, 96% were household contacts of previously infected adults. In another study of Chinese children, nine of 10 children admitted to several provincial hospitals outside Wuhan contracted Covid-19 from an adult, with only one possible child-to-child transmission, based on the timing of disease onset.
In a French study, a boy with Covid-19 exposed over 80 classmates at three schools to the disease. None contracted it. Transmission of other respiratory diseases, including influenza transmission, was common at the schools.
(source: the same Breitbart link)
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RuthAnne
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Some of us prefer to raise our kids rather than leave it up to the state.
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RuthAnne
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It’s really no concern of mine. My kids don’t partake of public education, so I don’t worry that much about it.
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tuffsmurf
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Many of the people need to work, and younger children can’t be left alone at home.
JoeFreedom
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This is the kind of sentiment that further divides everyone. Making broad-based sweeping generalizations about people’s intent and attacking their character.
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Inquisitor85
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I’m going to ask you a question, and I want an exact number, and when that number is reached I want you to personally contact your representative and DEMAND that they close schools back down.
How many teachers are you ok with dying from CV-19 caught from students?
How many teachers are you ok with dying from CV-19 caught from students?
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tuffsmurf
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To be fair, can you give an exact number when it comes to the flu? Please remember that vaccines against the flu are much less effective than other vaccines due ti the fact that there are hundreds of strains of influenza virus.
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pnewton
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I’ll pass. I do not think the point relevant. You of course are free to act as you see fit.
I am not okay with one teacher dying. Neither am I okay with on child being left behind. This is what comes with loaded rhetoric. Somewhere, there needs to be a balance and absolutes solve nothing.
I am not okay with one teacher dying. Neither am I okay with on child being left behind. This is what comes with loaded rhetoric. Somewhere, there needs to be a balance and absolutes solve nothing.
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1cthlctrth
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...n-don-t-spread-coronavirus-french-study-shows
School kids don’t appear to transmit the new coronavirus to peers or teachers, a French study found, weighing in on the crucial topic of children’s role in propagating Covid-19.
Scientists at Institut Pasteur studied 1,340 people in Crepy-en-Valois, a town northeast of Paris that suffered an outbreak in February and March, including 510 students from six primary schools. They found three probable cases among kids that didn’t lead to more infections among other pupils or teachers.
School kids don’t appear to transmit the new coronavirus to peers or teachers, a French study found, weighing in on the crucial topic of children’s role in propagating Covid-19.
Scientists at Institut Pasteur studied 1,340 people in Crepy-en-Valois, a town northeast of Paris that suffered an outbreak in February and March, including 510 students from six primary schools. They found three probable cases among kids that didn’t lead to more infections among other pupils or teachers.
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mary77
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this is not true. Every season the scientists guess what flu is going to emerge and thats all it is an educated guess and that is the vaccine they give. Many people who get the vaccine get the flu. Check the statistics.
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Peeps
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Are you serious? Really? Do you live somewhere off the grid? How have you missed this?
Parents are urged to get their children vaccinated against the flu, and to be vaccinated themselves. The true influenza (not the stomach flu bug) is no joke.
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Peeps
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Here’s my take–if schools are shut down, I think the teachers’ contracts need to be overhauled.
I live in Illinois–that should explain my comment.
I live in Illinois–that should explain my comment.
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1cthlctrth
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The most painstaking study is the one conducted by Iceland. Researchers sequenced all the genomes from samples of every positive case and tracked the mutation patterns. They concluded that “even if children do get infected, they are less likely to transmit the disease to others than adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents.”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100?articleTools=true
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