Only 31 deaths of children under age 15 involving COVID-19. Common flu-related child deaths from 37 to 187 during regular flu season. Should Governors

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The most painstaking study is the one conducted by Iceland. Researchers sequenced all the genomes from samples of every positive case and tracked the mutation patterns. They concluded that “ even if children do get infected, they are less likely to transmit the disease to others than adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents. ”
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This quote appears nowhere in the article cited. The word “parent” or “parents” also appears nowhere in that article. Where in the world did you get that quote?
 
But an important difference is that the flu is less transmissible to adults than the coronavirus. So teachers, even those who do not get vaccinated and may have underlying conditions or are elderly, have more of a fighting chance if they practice proper hygiene.

But who cares about the lives of teachers anyway? The children can be homeschooled and, if worst comes to worst, teach themselves. The teachers just get in the way of the educational process and are incompetent, right?
 
How about teachers’ catching the virus from one another or from staff?
 

Roger Highfield, Science Director, talks to Kari Stefansson, whose genetic sequencing project has revealed how the UK infected Iceland, that children don’t seem to infect parents, and how to control COVID-19.

Kari Stefansson is the CEO of the Icelandic company deCODE genetics in Reykjavík, which has studied the spread of COVID-19 in Iceland with Iceland’s Directorate of Health and the National University Hospital:

ARE SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE AT RISK THAN OTHERS?​

The clinical diversity of COVID-19 is another big question. Some people describe it as a mild cold. Others end up on a respirator and die.

Men are much more likely to become infected than women. If women get infected, they do not get as sick as men.

Children under 10 are less likely to get infected than adults and if they get infected, they are less likely to get seriously ill. What is interesting is that even if children do get infected, they are less likely to transmit the disease to others than adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents.
 
But none of this applies to college settings, does it? So colleges should remain mostly online and take precautions for classes that are in-person.
 
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meltzerboy2 said:
How about teachers’ catching the virus from one another or from staff?
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That’s a good question, but I would recommend that teachers behave like everybody else who has to get up and go to work to earn their paycheck at their supermarket or office building: follow the recommended guidelines, like social distancing, hand-washing, and avoiding physical contact with strangers.
 
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I guess all teachers never go to the store, church, family gatherings, medical appointments, restaurants etc. We can’t put the the entire population in a bubble. What about everyone else who has been working during all this. What makes teachers special? They can mask. They can hand wash. They can sanitize. They can minimize the number of kids they are exposed to by keeping kids and their teacher in small groups isolated from other small groups at school like my local middle school plans on doing.
 
Yes, many schools have plans such as you describe. However, some schools are old, poorly designed and ventilated, overcrowded, and lacking the space to practice social distancing. What then?

In many communities, as you know, churches have been closed, as have restaurants, bars, and gyms, and family gatherings have not been taking place. Heck, people have even avoided medical appointments unless it is an emergency. So, no, these things have not been happening for teachers or any other adults, except for communities that have reopened too soon and are now suffering the consequences.
 
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OK, so it wasn’t part of a New England Journal of Medicine article but was a casual conversation with a journalist. Got it.
 
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Socrates92 said:
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LeafByNiggle:
Great way to start an argument
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What’s wrong with an argument?
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Nothing at all. My comment was sarcasm that really meant this is a very poor way to start an argument. I have the greatest respect for logically-conducted arguments. Very little respect for name-calling arguments.
 
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All I know is that there should be an immediate, major effort at enhancing education from home (zoom, etc.)… Spring 2020 should be considered just a warm-up effort.

Also, making easily accessible information for parents to consider a homeschooling alternative.
 
meltzerboy2 said:
Yes, many schools have plans such as you describe. However, some schools are old, poorly designed and ventilated, overcrowded, and lacking the space to practice social distancing. What then?
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My local schools are giving parents the option to have their child take all their classes online or go to school with various measures in place. This will cut down on the number of students who will be attending so it will be easier to social distance. Each local school district should make decisions based on their local situation. It doesn’t have to be one broad brush for every school across the nation. There are daycares open now who are handling it as best as they can. The fact is, children have to be somewhere. Most homes are either single parent or two-income homes so either we have parents across the nation having no where to place their children during the day or they will have to open the schools so we don’t have situations where desperate parents are leaving children at home alone all day because they can’t afford a sitter. Given that study after study is showing that children are not super-spreaders of this virus, it makes sense to open most schools.
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In many communities, as you know, churches have been closed, as have restaurants, bars, and gyms, and family gatherings have not been taking place. Heck, people have even avoided medical appointments unless it is an emergency. So, no, these things have not been happening for teachers or any other adults, except for communities that have reopened too soon and are now suffering the consequences.
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There are schools and daycares in session all over the world. Some never closed. The statistics are just not there that justify keeping all children home for an unknown amount of time.
 
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