only one correct religion with the truth?

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Nabooru said:
The existence of one true religion might make us uncomfortable in these modern politically correct times, but that doesn’t negate its veracity. I was a relativist for a long time in my New Age days, but that bubble popped since it just can’t hold water. In the end I was just proclaiming everything to be true while at the same time holding it to be false, since it all contradicted each other.
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I don’t necessarily think its all true even I just believe since you can’t know for certain the is no reason to be harassing people about it.
 
lokadottir,

you wrote: “I don’t necessarily think its all true even I just believe since you can’t know for certain the is no reason to be harassing people about it.”

do you consider this true? or, are you saying this is just your musings that may or may not be true?
 
Lokadottir said:
I don’t necessarily think its all true even I just believe since you can’t know for certain the is no reason to be harassing people about it.
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Good to remember no one is perfect, especially in spitting back comments on a comment board. I can’t be the only one who thinks, ‘I could have worded that better’.

By Harassing, if you mean because you don’t want someone shoving their ideals in your face. Marketing companies do this to you daily, why not allow a little time for a discussion more real than a fleeting advertisement?

From a Christian standpoint, it is a Christian’s duty to inform, ‘shine the light’. Understanding this might help alleviate frustrations. Consider it ‘doing their job’. It’s not an easy job.

Jesus himself was laughed at, walked away from, spit at, beat and hung…for informing.

Something you will never find in any research, is an apology from Jesus.
 
ggarcia19 said:
I really don’t think it’s morally right for any one religion to say they are the only true religion and that everyone else is wrong. If any one religion claims to be the only truth, then they must surely be a lie? What do you think?
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One of the reasons Jesus was crucified for teaching; “I am the Truth and the Life”. I don’t think Jesus was lie-ing when He proclaimed His teaching’s.

If scripture has Jesus the Head, and His body the Church, then that Church is the one Jesus built upon Peter = Rock and His apostles. Scripture declares the pillar and foundation of TRuth is the Church. The Catholic Church is not the only Truth, she is the one Truth revealed by God to be His mystical body.

Yes other Truth’s exist’s in other religions, but there still remains one Truth above all, and that is Jesus Christ himself.
 
Sorry if this has been covered, hard to read through eveyone’s post.

Are we not of one body and Christ is the head of that body? Even the hand doesn’t see how the foot is of any value, no part is anymore important then the other. Being of one body, if we all point to the cross and teach the word are we not all doing the bodys work? Are we not to be doing things for God’s glory and his alone? If anything takes away from this then is that not a false teaching?
 
jms628;11727116]Sorry if this has been covered, hard to read through eveyone’s post.
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Are we not of one body and Christ is the head of that body? Even the hand doesn’t see how the foot is of any value, no part is anymore important then the other. Being of one body, if we all point to the cross and teach the word are we not all doing the bodys work? Are we not to be doing things for God’s glory and his alone? If anything takes away from this then is that not a false teaching?/
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It is not a false teaching if Catholics profess and live out the cross, when another is just pointing to the cross.

It becomes a contradicton to the Truth when one misinterprets the Word to fit a new man made theology to interpret the Word many different ways, other than the original teachings and practices handed down to the Catholic Church through apostolic succession that is unchanged. When another with the same scripture subjects the revelations of God to new changes.

Then there is the body which has many parts fully divine and fully human. The mystical body is real and living, she is not a symbol that unites different faiths holding to it’s own truth creating a tolerance of diversity of different belief’s.

There is only one TRUTH that remains Rock and cannot be moved by every wind of doctrine made by man.

Truth calls us to step out of our boxes, and listen with ears of faith in God, not with ears tickled by men calling one to their own view and labeling it truth.
 
I see the need for one truth. I seek this one truth everyday. This is why I have come to this website. My search for the truth leads me to ask questions. Because I am not Cathlic I do not know all of it’s teachings. So please bear with me.

To claim there is only one true church is a worry for me. The Bible tells us in Galatians Peter was “called out” so to speak by Paul. Paul pointed out to Peter he was going against the gospel for his act of separting himself from the Gentiles. This would be a conflict with in the church, if not reaching an agreement then there would be a separation. If both see their way is gospel, then who is right?

I have to ask then, is Peter not the father of the Cathlic Church? If so, then by Paul making this argument against Peter, make Peter in error? Who is right? Both have the gosple, both were chosen by God. If both lead others to Christ then were is there a wrong?
 
paul’s challenge to peter was discussed and it was determined by the apostles that it had merit. however, the account of this indicates that the final decision came from peter.

also, paul wrote that his teachings of the gospel had passed the scrutiny of peter and the other eleven. for paul, the approval of the apostles was essential to his, paul’s, authority.

you are very welcome here. discussion can be very fruitful, especially if we can avoid making it recriminatory. and even then, if we keep forgiveness at the fore and can pass over some of the more intemperate comments.

i admit, my comments can be or at least certainly appear intemperate at times and i am sorry when they are or are perceived in that way.
 
jms628 said:
I see the need for one truth. I seek this one truth everyday. This is why I have come to this website. My search for the truth leads me to ask questions. Because I am not Cathlic I do not know all of it’s teachings. So please bear with me.

To claim there is only one true church is a worry for me. The Bible tells us in Galatians Peter was “called out” so to speak by Paul. Paul pointed out to Peter he was going against the gospel for his act of separting himself from the Gentiles. This would be a conflict with in the church, if not reaching an agreement then there would be a separation. If both see their way is gospel, then who is right?

I have to ask then, is Peter not the father of the Cathlic Church? If so, then by Paul making this argument against Peter, make Peter in error? Who is right? Both have the gosple, both were chosen by God. If both lead others to Christ then were is there a wrong?
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Peter failed many times by himself, to include denied Jesus three times, was rebuked by Jesus for claiming to prevent Jesus from entering His passion, death and resurrection.

These are disciplines of which you point to about Peter. Heck, Saul/Paul persecuted Christians. My point is, It took an act of God to give both of these apostles the strength and boldness to proclaim Jesus Christ Crucified.

Peter is not the father of the Catholic Church. Jesus is the founder of the Catholic Church. Peter is the Leader of the apostles, Vicar of Christ on earth, possessor of the divine keys over the whole Church. Man never appointed Peter as Vicar on earth. Jesus is the one who commissioned Peter to bind and loose, feed and tend His flock until He returns.

Paul was called as an apostle to the Gentiles, but preached first to the Jews.

Peter’s calling or commissioning was to tend the whole flock.

I am so glad your here and welcome you. May God always protect us and guide us into His TRUTH.

Peace be with you
 
jms628 said:
I see the need for one truth. I seek this one truth everyday. This is why I have come to this website. My search for the truth leads me to ask questions. Because I am not Cathlic I do not know all of it’s teachings. So please bear with me.

To claim there is only one true church is a worry for me. The Bible tells us in Galatians Peter was “called out” so to speak by Paul. Paul pointed out to Peter he was going against the gospel for his act of separting himself from the Gentiles. This would be a conflict with in the church, if not reaching an agreement then there would be a separation. If both see their way is gospel, then who is right?

I have to ask then, is Peter not the father of the Cathlic Church? If so, then by Paul making this argument against Peter, make Peter in error? Who is right? Both have the gosple, both were chosen by God. If both lead others to Christ then were is there a wrong?
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I’m in agreement with you. The RCC teaches that Peter was not speaking or teaching infallibly here, so he could be wrong. I contend that if he is truly acting as Vicar of Christ, then his action is as important as his teaching, and we can see he can teach incorrectly even while being called Vicar of Christ. Instead, we protestants tend to see the Spirit as the “Vicar of Christ” and the Spirit that unites all believers into one body, the body of Truth, which is Christ.
 
jms628 said:
I see the need for one truth. I seek this one truth everyday. This is why I have come to this website. My search for the truth leads me to ask questions. Because I am not Cathlic I do not know all of it’s teachings. So please bear with me.

To claim there is only one true church is a worry for me. The Bible tells us in Galatians Peter was “called out” so to speak by Paul. Paul pointed out to Peter he was going against the gospel for his act of separting himself from the Gentiles. This would be a conflict with in the church, if not reaching an agreement then there would be a separation. If both see their way is gospel, then who is right?

I have to ask then, is Peter not the father of the Cathlic Church? If so, then by Paul making this argument against Peter, make Peter in error? Who is right? Both have the gosple, both were chosen by God. If both lead others to Christ then were is there a wrong?
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Peter had a moral failing in eating with the Gentiles, a personal sin, is why Paul called out Peter.

Have you pondered, why is it that Paul called out Peter for this failing of Peter, and not James (associated with the Judaizers) or anyone? Why Peter alone?

And you will notice that Paul does not contend or counter any doctrine of the Church, but a moral failing of someone.

For further reading on this: blog.adw.org/2010/10/what-st-paul-can-teach-us-about-respect-for-church-authority/
 
I view a heart turned towards Christ, filled with love towards all, humility, compassion, forgiveness and service as truth, and a heart turned towards self-centeredness, with condemnation, us-versus-them thinking, and a sense of superiority over others, as veiled from the truth.
 
jms628 said:
Sorry if this has been covered, hard to read through eveyone’s post.

Are we not of one body and Christ is the head of that body? Even the hand doesn’t see how the foot is of any value, no part is anymore important then the other. Being of one body, if we all point to the cross and teach the word are we not all doing the bodys work? Are we not to be doing things for God’s glory and his alone? If anything takes away from this then is that not a false teaching?
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I agree. However, does a ‘yes’ answer to all the questions above automatically build a closer relationship with God?

Why and how do we do we build that relationship? The details.

Where Jesus speaks are we listening and doing as he says? - and maybe even more subtle - When Jesus does, are we doing? (imitating)

If we are past the point of believing Jesus is who he says He is, then I want to know why my church is not leading in doing **the details **as Jesus did or said, if that be the case.

I’m about to enter lent, a 40 day desert full of temptations and hopefully a lot of prayer. Through his time in the desert, which was a billion times more difficult, Jesus shows me it’s possible to get through 40 days in a desert.
 
pablope said:
Peter had a moral failing in eating with the Gentiles, a personal sin, is why Paul called out Peter.

Have you pondered, why is it that Paul called out Peter for this failing of Peter, and not James (associated with the Judaizers) or anyone? Why Peter alone?

And you will notice that Paul does not contend or counter any doctrine of the Church, but a moral failing of someone.

For further reading on this: blog.adw.org/2010/10/what-st-paul-can-teach-us-about-respect-for-church-authority/
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I guess I would then have to ask; did not Luther question the Catholic Church direction? If Paul was just pointing out a moral issue with Peter then was not Luther doing the same with the Church?
 
Survey In Soteriology

Hello, I am a graduate student of theology and I’m producing a qualitative research paper in soteriology (study of religious doctrines of salvation). In adding to my research, I have produced a survey consisting of a series of unbiased and simple questions. This survey will not be a comparison of soteriology between various denominations, rather, the goal will be to obtain information on different individual beliefs of salvation within individual denominations. In this survey I will not ask for any names or personal information. However, I will ask some general questions about your faith and location by which anyone taking this survey is not required to answer. This survey will strive not to ask leading questions, nor will the survey be used as a platform to prosthelytize or argue any particular theology. This survey will not be used to embarrass or will single out any individuals responding to the survey as the collective results and analysis, not the data itself, will be published within the research. Please feel free to respond to this survey over open forum or email your responses to me. I thank you for your time and honesty. I believe this survey will help greatly in guiding the path of my research. God Bless

Instructions: Please write the answer (a-d) near each question of the survey. Thank you for your time.
Part I: Questions About You
  1. _____ What is your denomination?

    a. Catholic

    b. Protestant

    c. Evangelical

    d. Other
  2. ____ How often do you read the Bible?

    a. Frequently (daily to weekly)

    b. Often (weekly to monthly)

    c. Sometimes (monthly to only on special occasions)

    d. Never
  3. ____ Please Rate the knowledge of your faith

    a. Teacher or Elder

    b. Good understanding

    c. Little understanding

    d. No understanding
Part II: Questions of Faith
  1. ____ Does God Exist?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  2. ____ Is Jesus Christ the Son of God?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  3. ____ Is Jesus Christ a requirement for salvation?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  4. ____ Is Jesus Christ the only requirement for salvation?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  5. ____ Does heaven exist?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  6. ____ If yes, is heaven a permanent destination?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  7. ____ Does hell exist?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  8. ____ If yes, is hell a permanent destination?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  9. ____ Is salvation possible for those of a faith other than your own?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  10. ____ Is salvation possible for those of a non-Christian faith?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  11. ____ Is salvation possible for those of no faith?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
 
jms628 said:
I guess I would then have to ask; did not Luther question the Catholic Church direction? If Paul was just pointing out a moral issue with Peter then was not Luther doing the same with the Church?
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Hmm…What direction did Luther wanted the CC to head to>
If Paul was just pointing out a moral issue with Peter then was not Luther doing the same with the Church?
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Luther wanted to reform some practices…but then turned into something else…and it turned doctrinal…and cause the splitting of altars.

There have been reformers prior to Luther…St. Francis of Assis, Catherine of Siena…ewtn.com/library/mary/catsiena.htm

Here is my question for you:

If Catherine of Siena, can heal a schism, and tell the pope to reform…*To Urban himself she wrote to warn him to control his harsh and arrogant temper. This was the second pope she had counseled, chided, even commanded. *(ewtn.com/library/mary/catsiena.htm)) …how was she able to tell the pope to reform without the need to cause a split in the Church and not be excommunicated?

And lastly, I would recommend you read the book reviewed here:

ignatiusinsight.com/features/mbrumley_bouyer1_nov04.asp

In his ground-breaking work, The Spirit and Forms of Protestantism, Louis Bouyer argued that the Catholic Church herself is necessary for the full flowering of the Reformation principles. In other words, you need Catholicism to make Protestantism work–for Protestantism’s principles fully to develop. Thus, the Reformation was not only unnecessary; it was impossible. What the Reformers sought, argues Bouyer, could not be achieved without the Catholic Church.

From Bouyer’s conclusion we can infer at least two things. First, Protestantism can’t be all wrong, otherwise how could the Catholic Church bring about the “full flowering of the principles of the Reformation”? Second, left to itself, Protestantism will go astray and be untrue to some of its central principles. It’s these two points, as Bouyer articulates them, I would like to consider here.
 
I thank everyone who has replied to my questions. Again I am here to learn so I might not get just what you are saying and might ask more questions to get a better idea of what you are saying. My education of religious history, and theology is some what limited. I have had to learn what I know through self study.

When I ask a question it is for my self education, I am not here to start a fight nor am I here to convert anyone. I am glad I was pointed to this website and like how respectfull everyone has been so far.
 
Back to the Original Question I would like to add thoughts

I would say who are we to say that all Gods Religions are not the source of Truth.

Man is limited by worldly understandings and those understandings are influenced by Nurture and Nature. Ultimately place of birth, culture, religion, upbringing and life Tests give each individual their own “Psychological Frame of Reference”.

All Gods Truths contained in all the Major Religions are their to help us rise above all this conditioning to bring us to the Love of the One and Only God.

God Bless all and Regards Tony
 
Zach12345 said:
Survey In Soteriology

Hello, I am a graduate student of theology and I’m producing a qualitative research paper in soteriology (study of religious doctrines of salvation). In adding to my research, I have produced a survey consisting of a series of unbiased and simple questions. This survey will not be a comparison of soteriology between various denominations, rather, the goal will be to obtain information on different individual beliefs of salvation within individual denominations. In this survey I will not ask for any names or personal information. However, I will ask some general questions about your faith and location by which anyone taking this survey is not required to answer. This survey will strive not to ask leading questions, nor will the survey be used as a platform to prosthelytize or argue any particular theology. This survey will not be used to embarrass or will single out any individuals responding to the survey as the collective results and analysis, not the data itself, will be published within the research. Please feel free to respond to this survey over open forum or email your responses to me. I thank you for your time and honesty. I believe this survey will help greatly in guiding the path of my research. God Bless

Instructions: Please write the answer (a-d) near each question of the survey. Thank you for your time.
Part I: Questions About You
  1. _____ What is your denomination?

    a. Catholic

    b. Protestant

    c. Evangelical

    d. Other
  2. ____ How often do you read the Bible?

    a. Frequently (daily to weekly)

    b. Often (weekly to monthly)

    c. Sometimes (monthly to only on special occasions)

    d. Never
  3. ____ Please Rate the knowledge of your faith

    a. Teacher or Elder

    b. Good understanding

    c. Little understanding

    d. No understanding
Part II: Questions of Faith
  1. ____ Does God Exist?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  2. ____ Is Jesus Christ the Son of God?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  3. ____ Is Jesus Christ a requirement for salvation?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  4. ____ Is Jesus Christ the only requirement for salvation?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  5. ____ Does heaven exist?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  6. ____ If yes, is heaven a permanent destination?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  7. ____ Does hell exist?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  8. ____ If yes, is hell a permanent destination?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  9. ____ Is salvation possible for those of a faith other than your own?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  10. ____ Is salvation possible for those of a non-Christian faith?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
  11. ____ Is salvation possible for those of no faith?
    a. Yes

    b. No

    c. Maybe

    d. I don’t know
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a. to all except 3. is c.

God bless
 
Clicking on the link to Survey on Soteriology gets me nowhere. Was the post deleted? I can’t even find Zach12345 on the members list.
 
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