ONLY Tridentine (Latin) Mass?

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ALL of the people that I know who were raised Pre-Vatican II prefer the current mass to the old mass.
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Maybe they only prefer it because they got used to it over the years.
I was raised while all of the changes were happening in the 1960’s. Recently I have rediscovered the Tridentine Mass and I prefer it to the new Mass. The beauty and reverence of the Tridentine Mass by far outshines the new Mass. But, of course, this is only my humble opinion.
 
Even the editor of the Remnant, Michael Matt goes to the Indult Mass. Yet many people would call him a schimatic
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How do you know where he goes to Mass.

I believe some people (The Wanderer) called him an “objective schismatic” - that is he is schismatic in his thought and criticism of the Church, not the same as being declared “in Schism” as have the SSPX.
 
I found from some one who goes to the same church he goes to. What in the world is an “objective schismatic”?
 
I am sure if you read the Remnant you should have seen the expression - Michael Matt used it.

It has to do with his book We Resist You to the Face and from what I gather has to do with a schsmatic attitude, supporting ideas that could lead to schism from the Catholic Chruch and Rome.
 
So what’s worse?

Humble submission to those in charge, while respectfully workinig to bring about change (good catachesis, etc.), or flagrantly violating “common gesture and posture” to make a point during the mass?

What about not lettin gliberty become license, and abstaing from what is not wron gto you if it is a stumbling block to another?

WHere is the Universal Church in all of this?

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For those who hold to Tridentine Only Mass, stop, take a deep breath, and look around you, especially these forums.
Can you not see many great loyal Catholics who are faithful to the magisterium, the Church, and have maintained the "faith of our fathers via the Novus Ordo Mass. It is not the particular Mass that is the problem. I’m re-reading Bellocs “How the Refoprmation Happened.” He shows how there NEVER was a time in the history of the Church - even in a united Europe - that the Church did not have problems or issues to deal with, so stop blaming it on VAT II or the new Mass, or whatever other issues you happen to disagree with.
Let’s stop letting our personal opinions dictate to Holy Mother Church. Instead let us join together and start doing what Jesus wants us to do, and that is call everyone to the table of His Body and Blood.
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I hate hearing the altar referred to as a table. The Mass is still a sacrifice and I don’t think you will find any consecration of “the table” … otherwise you make some good points in your post.
 
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deogratias:
I hate hearing the altar referred to as a table. The Mass is still a sacrifice and I don’t think you will find any consecration of “the table” … otherwise you make some good points in your post.
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But in another post you talked about absorption of other religions as being the aim of Vatican II. Well the Church has to absorb Protestant elements to make ecumenism live. SO that’s why its called a table, because we have to absorb elements of other religions for their to be unity amongst us. I’m just using your interpretation of Vatican II.
 
No you are not using my interpretation of Vatican II - you misunderstand what I mean by absorption. I don’t mean adopting their customs, I mean bringing them into our faith - especially bringing in our separated brothers and sisters, the Anglicans, the Orthodox and the other Schismatics - that is what I mean by it.

I won’t dialogue with you further on this or any other subject because you constantly misread what I write and try to put words into my mouth that I have not said.
 
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deogratias:
No you are not using my interpretation of Vatican II - you misunderstand what I mean by absorption. I don’t mean adopting their customs, I mean bringing them into our faith - especially bringing in our separated brothers and sisters, the Anglicans, the Orthodox and the other Schismatics - that is what I mean by it.

I won’t dialogue with you further on this or any other subject because you constantly misread what I write and try to put words into my mouth that I have not said.
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Then what does your definition of absorption mean?
 
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