Open Thread on Zimmerman Trial

[MaryT777]

And you know what someone will decide to do?

Can you provide lottery numbers too? We could all use the income.

Good grief he was so beat up he was concerned for his life and killed a man; surely that would make one think he had injuries bad enough to seek medical attention that night
don’t you think?

What’s with the Lottery number comment? Just to be facetious or what?
That’s not necessary but so be it if you feel you need to go there.

 

[MaryT777]

But the trial has another witness to the beating. He provided testimony last week.

What witness do you refer to? He was there at the fight?

 

[estesbob]

Exactly Kelvinf,
You are the voice of reason on this thread.
Somebody has to be that!
Mary,

Translation: he’s agrees with me

 

[MaryT777]

Translation: he’s agrees with me

Actually he’s the only one that’s made a neutral comment. Read through them.

 

[estesbob]

Good grief he was so beat up he was concerned for his life and killed a man; surely that would make one think he had injuries bad enough to seek medical attention that night
don’t you think?

What’s with the Lottery number comment? Just to be facetious or what?
That’s not necessary but so be it if you feel you need to go there.

So how beaten does one have to be before they can use lethal force to defend defend themselves? Why do you think Zimmerman shot Martin?

 

[MaryT777]

So how beaten does one have to be before they can use lethal force to defend defend themselves? Why do you think Zimmerman shot Martin?

So how suspicious does one have to be before the Neighborhood Watch follow you around.

Why do you think Zimmerman followed Martin? He was “afraid of him?”

 

[estesbob]

So how suspicious does one have to be before the Neighborhood Watch follow you around.

Why do you think Zimmerman followed Martin? He was “afraid of him?”

Given the recent burgularies in the neighborhood anyone unknown is suspicious Zimmerman followed Martin to see what he was doing in the neighborhood.Now I answered your questions,will you answer mine .I am especially interested in why you think Zimmerman shot martin?

 

[vz71]

Good grief he was so beat up he was concerned for his life and killed a man; surely that would make one think he had injuries bad enough to seek medical attention that night
don’t you think?

Actually, I choose not to question the decision process of someone involved in a beating that I did not experience.
There are actual facts I can work with.

What’s with the Lottery number comment? Just to be facetious or what?
That’s not necessary but so be it if you feel you need to go there.

Look, if it is in fact the case that there are people involved here that can reveal what he was thinking at the time, perhaps they should use their special talents for something that could benefit many more.

 

[SwizzleStick]

So how suspicious does one have to be before the Neighborhood Watch follow you around.

Why do you think Zimmerman followed Martin? He was “afraid of him?”

I would think that watching someone is part of being on the Neighborhood Watch, so at least some following would not be unreasonable, especially since Martin was an unknown person in an area that had recent burglaries. Zimmerman has stated that Martin’s behavior was suspicious, that Martin was walking around in the rain, that he was looking into windows, that he appeared to be on drugs or something. If Martin was, in fact, under the influence of something, that could account for aggressive behavior and bad judgment, if he was the aggressor as claimed by Zimmerman.

 

[MaryT777]

Given the recent burgularies in the neighborhood anyone unknown is suspicious Zimmerman followed Martin to see what he was doing in the neighborhood.Now I answered your questions,will you answer mine .I am especially interested in why you think Zimmerman shot martin?

Are you kidding me? Anyone unknown to Zimmerman is suspicious and can be followed to “see what they were doing?” Good grief.

No further dialogue needed now.

Your view is well known on more than one thread.

 

[MaryT777]

Actually, I choose not to question the decision process of someone involved in a beating that I did not experience.
There are actual facts I can work with.

Look, if it is in fact the case that there are people involved here that can reveal what he was thinking at the time, perhaps they should use their special talents for something that could benefit many more.

There are actual facts I can work with too. A man was so frightened for his life he chose to kill another man to defend himself.

No one knows what anyone was thinking.

Like you most here are dealing in facts. Zimmerman did not seek medical attention that day.

Using special talents to benefit many by the lottery? Come on now most of those “winners” end up broke. But that’s another topic and thread

 

[livingwordunity]

Sorry, the extent of injuries is a distraction.

Truly. If Martin had lived through this, killing Zimmerman, and had no absolutely no injuries, but claimed he did it because Zimmerman rushed him and Martin stated he was in fear of imminent serious bodily harm- that would be a valid claim to self-defense. The law does not require one to suffer serious injury prior to resorting to self-defense. Would be kind of foolish if it did- how do you read other person’s mind and be sure you know how far they’re willing to take it? If you’re suffering blows to the head, how do you know when you’re on the edge of losing consciousness, being killed?

A referee at a soccer match died recently from one punch to the head from one of the players. A relative of mine died from tripping and their head hitting the sidewalk.

You claim these are minor injuries. Which isn’t relevant. What is are the circumstances under which they were suffered. A 5’11 160 pound fit young man on top of another pinned beneath him. (assuming Zimmerman’s story is correct). How does the pinned person in those circumstances know what kind of injuries they’ve received. More importantly— do they have reason to fear that they are in fact in danger of serious bodily harm?

 

[MaryT777]

I would think that watching someone is part of being on the Neighborhood Watch, so at least some following would not be unreasonable, especially since Martin was an unknown person in an area that had recent burglaries. Zimmerman has stated that Martin’s behavior was suspicious, that Martin was walking around in the rain, that he was looking into windows, that he appeared to be on drugs or something. If Martin was, in fact, under the influence of something, that could account for aggressive behavior and bad judgment, if he was the aggressor as claimed by Zimmerman.

Another objective voice on the panel.

However it’s not Zimmerman’s to determine. Call the police. He can’t arrest someone anyway he’s not a police officer.

 

[vz71]

What witness do you refer to? He was there at the fight?

Yes, he was there. Perhaps you should go through the news on the trial.

I believe the witness referred to the beating Zimmerman was getting as “MMA Style”

Zimmerman never had an opportunity to fight back.

 

[MaryT777]

Yes, he was there. Perhaps you should go through the news on the trial.

I believe the witness referred to the beating Zimmerman was getting as “MMA Style”

Zimmerman never had an opportunity to fight back.

Which witness was at the fight and witnessed the whole thing?
I’ll be happy to read it if I missed that one…

 

[vz71]

There are actual facts I can work with too. A man was so frightened for his life he chose to kill another man to defend himself.

Well there is that. But the beating he was receiving should be part of the consideration.

Using special talents to benefit many by the lottery? Come on now most of those “winners” end up broke. But that’s another topic and thread

I would be willing to take that chance.

 

[MaryT777]

Well there is that. But the beating he was receiving should be part of the consideration.

I would be willing to take that chance.

LOL…Me too.
Yes indeed the beating should be in consideration.

I’m just thinking how could this have been prevented.

It might just be with the slew of robberies the neighborhood was on high alert and something was bound to give.

 

[vz71]

Which witness was at the fight and witnessed the whole thing?
I’ll be happy to read it if I missed that one…

Jonathan Good.

But I did not say he witnessed the whole fight. You just brought that part up in this post.
Are we trying to move the goal posts? If so, you should know that it indicative of a weak argument.
You went from a witness to the beating to a witness that “witnessed the whole thing”.

Pretty slick if no one is paying attention.
Perhaps you inadvertently omitted the “whole fight” earlier…

 

[vz71]

I’m just thinking how could this have been prevented.

It might just be with the slew of robberies the neighborhood was on high alert and something was bound to give.

Perhaps nothing could have prevented the first.
But the next suspicious character in a neighborhood bay just call 911 first knowing what happened this time.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Another objective voice on the panel. …

No need to be snarky.

…However it’s not Zimmerman’s to determine. Call the police. He can’t arrest someone anyway he’s not a police officer.

I didn’t say he was a police officer. But, he was trying to watch out for his neighbors and noticed someone behaving in a suspicious manner and called that in. He was told to stop following said person. He said he was doing that when he was attacked. If what he said is true, I don’t see his actions as unreasonable, though the outcome is horrific. Will his claims be proven in court? I don’t know.