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LisaA
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Your claims have been repeatedly refuted. I’m really done countering fabrications with facts which you repeatedly ignore. April trot out the dead horse.
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adrift
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Where are you getting that Zimmerman called him a suspect? It isn’t in the transcript.
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Brendan
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He could have gone into his father’s house, he was right in the backyard, but decided to leave it to head towards Zimmerman.
Again, look that the map of the scene
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TM placed a cell call saying that he was in the backyard of his father’s house (#4). Zimmerman was over a block away at that time and NOT in the process of following him ( he was on the main street recording the street address where the incident occurred. It was while Zimmerman was in the process of returning to his car ( not following TM) that the two encountered each other.
So yes, TM DID have a place to hide, his father’s house, that was well away from Zimmerman, but he chose to leave there and go BACK to where he encountered Zimmerman.
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april32010
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Cider
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Why on earth would George Zimmerman risk life in prison for killing Martin if didn’t feel in fear of his life?
By the way, there isn’t a need to imagine what happened when we have evidence, that you repeatedly ignore or spin for your own agenda.
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Morwenna
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april32010
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you don’t get out much do you ? there are many young men who would just as soon beat someone half to death as breathe.i know, as i was one of them and have associated with men like them for most of my life .
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Cider
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And then it came out that she actually assumed it was Zimmerman based on the 12 year old Martin photos the media put up. She thought Martin was the 12 year old in the picture and that didn’t match with what she saw, which was actually a 17 year old Martin that was much bigger.
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Tomdstone
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Which claim are you talking about? Do you mean the claim that:
Because it is a fabrication to claim that all of the eyewitnesses say that Martin was on top of Z.
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Jeanne_S
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Thank you!
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Jeanne_S
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Thank you,too!
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Polita612
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I think it most deplorable that this case was heard by a SIX (6) person jury, so I researched where the decay from a 12 person jury to a six person jury originated. Like everything else in America, it follows the modern trend toward “cheaper and lower quality.” From CBS:
**(CBS) SANFORD, Fla. - In the United States, defendants who face felony charges are typically afforded the right to a 12-member jury. So why not George Zimmerman?
Last Thursday, it was announced that six women were selected to cmrise the jury in the second-degree murder trial of the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin during a confrontation in a gated community in Sanford last February. He has pleaded not guilty to the charge, claiming self-defense.
For many years, the Constitution was interpreted as guaranteeing a trial by a 12-member jury. However, in Williams v. Florida, a Supreme Court ruling in 1970, it was decided that at least six persons is “large enough to promote group deliberation, free from outside intimidation, and to provide a fair possibility for obtaining a cross-section of the community.”
It was also noted in the ruling that there is “no discernible difference between the results reached by the two different-sized juries.” However, in Ballew v. Georgia, the Supreme Court ruled in 1978 that reducing the number of jurors below six created a “substantial threat” to the sixth amendment.
Zimmerman’s trial follows Florida statute 913.10 which says “twelve persons shall constitute a jury to try all capital cases, and six persons shall constitute a jury to try all other criminal cases.”
One concern that arises over smaller jury sizes is that they do not as effectively represent the community. In Zimmerman’s trial, where race and ethnicity play a prominent role in the case, the court has not disclosed the racial makeup of the jury. However, some reports have said the panel consists of five white women and a sixth woman who may be Hispanic.
Opening statements took place Monday and the trial is expected to last anywhere from two to four weeks, during which time the jury will be sequestered. The jury will have to reach a unanimous decision to convict Zimmerman. **
With a six person jury, maybe we get what we pay for, after all.
**(CBS) SANFORD, Fla. - In the United States, defendants who face felony charges are typically afforded the right to a 12-member jury. So why not George Zimmerman?
Last Thursday, it was announced that six women were selected to cmrise the jury in the second-degree murder trial of the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin during a confrontation in a gated community in Sanford last February. He has pleaded not guilty to the charge, claiming self-defense.
For many years, the Constitution was interpreted as guaranteeing a trial by a 12-member jury. However, in Williams v. Florida, a Supreme Court ruling in 1970, it was decided that at least six persons is “large enough to promote group deliberation, free from outside intimidation, and to provide a fair possibility for obtaining a cross-section of the community.”
It was also noted in the ruling that there is “no discernible difference between the results reached by the two different-sized juries.” However, in Ballew v. Georgia, the Supreme Court ruled in 1978 that reducing the number of jurors below six created a “substantial threat” to the sixth amendment.
Zimmerman’s trial follows Florida statute 913.10 which says “twelve persons shall constitute a jury to try all capital cases, and six persons shall constitute a jury to try all other criminal cases.”
One concern that arises over smaller jury sizes is that they do not as effectively represent the community. In Zimmerman’s trial, where race and ethnicity play a prominent role in the case, the court has not disclosed the racial makeup of the jury. However, some reports have said the panel consists of five white women and a sixth woman who may be Hispanic.
Opening statements took place Monday and the trial is expected to last anywhere from two to four weeks, during which time the jury will be sequestered. The jury will have to reach a unanimous decision to convict Zimmerman. **
With a six person jury, maybe we get what we pay for, after all.
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Tomdstone
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The horse is not dead because the case may be reopened.
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adrift
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Double Jeopardy
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Jeanne_S
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Say ain’t so!
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Polita612
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adrift
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It ain’t soSay ain’t so!
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Polita612
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Now, that’s a CONSTITUTIONAL objection! How old-fashioned! How quaint!
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adrift
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:aok:Now, that’s a CONSTITUTIONAL objection! How old-fashioned! How quaint!
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Tomdstone
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It may be double jeopardy in some sense but they can get around it by claiming it is a different charge of human rights or civil rights violations. I think that something like this actually did occur in the case of OJ.
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