Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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Inego_de_Loyola said:
I. Do you know how easy restraining orders are to obtain?
II. Evidently the feeling was mutual, because he got a restraining order on her too.
III. The program was voluntary and was in lieu of proceeding with a trial. He may have been guilty or he may have found it simpler to go through the program than to defend himself at trial.
IV. Either way I disagree with the notion that a grown man should be denied a CCW permit for being drunk and disorderly when he was 19 or so.

Again how is it relevant to the Treyvon Martin affair? Thank God he had his CCW, if he hadn’t he may have been murdered on his way back from checking the address where he was to meet police.
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If he hadn’t had a gun, maybe he would not had been involved in this beyond phoning it in to the police. Neighborhood Watch programs often carry bear spray, imagine that, firing that at someone, they have temporary blindness or are otherwise, incapacitated. Too, if he had no gun, maybe he would not have gone it alone.

Looks like if these events happened, he was 21 years old, old enough to vote, old enough to drink.

He got a restraining order on her too, often that happens, one party files one, the other one does too.

Domestic Violence charges are often dropped it seems. And in a sense, that makes them even more suspicious.

Never mind, the guy who killed Travyon Martin happened to be brought up on Domestic Violence, looks like the charges were brought up basically within days of each other, 2 times.

He was accused of a felony shoving a police officer.

He went to an alcohol program.

Had a restraining order placed on him.

Doesn’t sound like a responsible gun owner. Though in fairness, it does look like all of this happened in the summer of 2005.

There seems to be more to the story anyway, per the NY Daily News article too.

nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-lost-job-party-security-guard-aggressive-ex-co-worker-article-1.1053223

I wish him to be safe but one could question how stable he is.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
I. Do you know how easy restraining orders are to obtain?
II. Evidently the feeling was mutual, because he got a restraining order on her too.
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I don’t have any personal experience with restraining orders, as no one has ever asked for a restraining order against me because of fear of violence or anything else. However, that was the case with George Z, was it not? If he was not guilty, why did the judge grant the restraining order?
 
BroomWagon said:
Good point, the only time he used it, he killed a teenager.
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The killing was subject to a multi-million dollar investigation and public trial with an empaneled jury that completely acquitted him on account that it was justified on the part of classical self-defense, the right to which has been recognized legally for centuries.

So, do you have an actual rebuttal?
 
He was found not guilty by reason of self-defense.

There is no evidence to raise reasonable doubt that this was not the case. A verdict contrary to a political agenda is not reasonable evidence.

That means that he was put in a position of having to chose to live or die.

He chose life.
 
april32010 said:

  1. *]slander
    *]“sounds like”,is this some new legal terminolgy ?
    *]wow,a magistrate from virginia has that kinda clout.
    fairfaxcounty.gov/courts/magistrate.htm
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  1. Are you the person who posted the beating the dead horse graphic?? That sounds like Slander to me.

    Let’s see, Domestic Violence, so you are saying Domestic Violence is NOT beating a woman?? If there is a Domestic Violence Shelter in your neighborhood, perhaps you should visit it. What would the Domestic Violence be here then, if you are so smart on this, tell us! Enlighten us! What is the most likely Domestic Violence here?? Yelling? Beating a kid? Or beating a woman? Which is most likely? I accept your apology in advance if you do not have an answer to this.
    ZUAZO, VERONICA vs. ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M
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    08/09/2005
    Div 44
    44, TBA
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    Domestic Violence
    Closed – SRS
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    2005-DR-013069-O
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    ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M vs.** ZUAZO, VERONICA A
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    08/10/2005
    Div 46
    White, Keith F
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    Domestic Violence
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    “Sounds Like”??? Are you making fun of the way someone talks?? It is a felony, I was unsure, again, thanks for your kindness.

    Wow, A judge is a judge and someone in the legal system is in the legal system. It is not reaching to see someone could know the legal system fairly well. I knew he was a Magistrate, Justice of the Peace a year ago. So you are not telling me anything new.
 
BroomWagon said:
Favorable treatment happens all the time. Errors in the justice system happen all the time, the man who drives without a drivers license is not hauled in even if the police stop him and kills someone.

Let’s make sure, this George Zimmerman who people talk about who defended himself, likewise, has a judge as a father, has been accused of Domestic Violence two times, shoving an officer, treated for alcohol. Nothing wrong with knowing facts here.

After all, George Zimmerman judges someone as being suspicious who walks within a few feet of an apartment complex.

The Boston Bombers were on the Radar, were they hauled in? No.
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You’re doing a fine job of judging Zimmerman. How are you any different?
 
Tomdstone said:
I don’t have any personal experience with restraining orders, as no one has ever asked for a restraining order against me because of fear of violence or anything else. However, that was the case with George Z, was it not? If he was not guilty, why did the judge grant the restraining order?
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a restraining order is not a finding of guilt
 
april32010 said:
a horse beating smilie is slander ?:rolleyes:
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And how would you know the subject is exhausted? Does it bother you people are talking about it and so you infer they are beating a dead horse? Something that is already settled? Maybe wasting their time?? Yes, it does seem to be casting a negative aspersion on others.
 
Dawnia said:
You’re doing a fine job of judging Zimmerman. How are you any different?
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I’m not.

We know a person is deemed to be judged suspicious for walking to close to houses, looking like he is on drugs. I didn’t make that judgement.
 
Tomdstone said:
If he was not guilty, why was he required to undergo a rehabilitation program. Also if he was not guilty of domestic violence, why did a judge award Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, a restraining order against George, alleging domestic violence?
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Ummm maybe because the charges were dropped on the condition he completed rehab. Happens quite frequently here. Rehab in exchange for dropped or lesser charges.

Anyone can get a protection order even without any proof. I see it done in custody cases quite frequently because of the way the law is written to favor sole custody in cases of domestic abuse. Many are unfounded and dropped once they get before a judge.
 
Domestic Violence:
According to the Miama Herald, Zimmerman
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was also involved in a domestic dispute with his ex-fiancée, hair salon employee Veronica Zauzo. Zauzo claimed Zimmerman was trolling her neighborhood to check on her. At her apartment, they spoke for about an hour when she asked him to leave. He asked for some photos and paperwork and she refused. A pushing match ensued and her dog jumped up and bit him on the cheek, Zauzo claimed. Zimmerman, in a petition filed the next day, painted her as the aggressor, wanting him to stay the night.
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In her petition,** Zauzo alleged that Zimmerman has previously slapped her in her mouth as well.** According to court records, the Orange County circuit judge ordered them to stay away from each other for more than a year, but no charges were filed.
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Read more: Domestic Violence and George Zimmerman’s Defense | The Nation thenation.com/blog/175270/domestic-violence-and-george-zimmermans-defense#ixzz2ZGlY6jRj
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Dawnia said:
Ummm maybe because the charges were dropped on the condition he completed rehab. Happens quite frequently here. Rehab in exchange for dropped or lesser charges.

Anyone can get a protection order even without any proof. I see it done in custody cases quite frequently because of the way the law is written to favor sole custody in cases of domestic abuse. Many are unfounded and dropped once they get before a judge.
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I don’t think that the restraining order was dropped. It was granted to his fiancée who alleged domestic violence. Why would a judge stigmatise a man with a charge of domestic violence unless there was something to it? And does anyone have to undergo rehabilitation? they never asked me to do such. Why would a judge request a totally innocent person to undergo rehab treatment unless there were some reason for it? Since he had to undergo rehab treatment and his fiancée was granted a restraining order against him on the charge of domestic violence, it seems naïve to think that there was nothing to it and that he was totally innocent of all the charges against him.
 
Dawnia said:
Did you miss the part about no charges were filed? Can’t have a conviction without charges.

Thanks for playing.
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Ahem.
Zimmerman’s pattern for violence had already been established: trolling a neighborhood for his victim, pushing her when confronted, attacking her character, and arguing that she was the aggressor when charges were filed against him.
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Let me say, I’m almost always for the Conservative Cause, however, in this case, Rick Santorum, Michael Savage and Allen West, all 3 of them often looked at as extreme conservative types have displayed reservations about this incident, basically all 3 have spoken against Zimmerman. West in the past few days has said he sees this incident as being exploited by the Race Baiters. That is in the news.

Justice is always the most important thing here, I think the law worked badly though Zimmerman may well be “not guilty” but his conduct may not be exemplary.
 
Tomdstone said:
I don’t think that the restraining order was dropped. It was granted to his fiancée who alleged domestic violence. Why would a judge stigmatise a man with a charge of domestic violence unless there was something to it? And does anyone have to undergo rehabilitation? they never asked me to do such. Why would a judge request a totally innocent person to undergo rehab treatment unless there were some reason for it? Since he had to undergo rehab treatment and his fiancée was granted a restraining order against him on the charge of domestic violence, it seems naïve to think that there was nothing to it and that he was totally innocent of all the charges against him.
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See post 1463.
no charges were filed
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In this country, you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. He was never convicted so is by law innocent of any crime. It is really not that hard to grasp.
 
Just as weak as 2comming’s posts. Always on the attack… I pray for you. And the Zimmerman family that they can get beyond the media bias and move on with their lives.
 
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