Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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Robert_Sock said:
And there are MANY more priests who do not. What’s your point relative to Catholic morals and virtues? Not all priests practice Catholic virtues the way they ought. If they possessed true faith, and were following the Gospels, perhaps they would not carry a gun.
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You’ve questioned the virtue and faith of Catholics on this thread and those who carry. Now you are questioning the faith of priests who carry? Stunning.
 
Tomdstone said:
You have not proven that his fiancée has lied. She is innocent of your charge of lying until she is proven guilty in a court of law.
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You haven’t proven that Zimmerman lied. He is innocent of your charge until proven guilty in a court of law…

Hey wait a minute!!🤷
 
Tomdstone said:
You have not proven that his fiancée has lied. She is innocent of your charge of lying until she is proven guilty in a court of law.
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I haven’t charged her with lying at all. I have simply pointed out to you that restraining orders based on accusations of domestic violence are often issued without any proof required.

This was in response to your claim that there must be some truth to it, or the judge wouldn’t have issued it.

Again, I have had to intervene to show that the men charged with domestic violence as the basis for a restraining order were not even in the country, much less the city on the dates of the alleged occurrence.

It is very easy to get a temporary restraining order for the reasons I cited.

Without knowing the details, anything we say about the domestic violence situation with Zimmerman is speculation, that is absent a conviction upholding the validity of the claims.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Perhaps I should have said two more ordinary gunslingers, and likely gun worshipers.
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Or you could have said, two girls biking somewhere in the country under a beautiful blue sky. Vice judging or applying preconceptions on them. (I’m assuming you were kidding around though).

Of course the whole gunslinger thing is a romanticized myth, the whole face-to-face quick draw image.

“In the real Dodge City of history, there were five killings in 1878, the most homicidal year in the little town’s frontier history. In the most violent year in Deadwood, South Dakota, only four people were killed. In the worst year in Tombstone, home of the shoot-out at the OK Corral, only five people were killed. The only reason the OK Corral shoot-out even became famous was that town boosters deliberately overplayed the drama to attract new settlers. They cashed in on the tourist boom by inventing a myth.”

Seems like the areas with gunslingers were actually pretty peaceful. Now, New York City at the same time was pretty violent, turf wars between immigrant gangs etc.
 
So apparently DOJ has set up a tip line for people to report Zimmerman’s racist acts.

More than a year after an FBI report indicated there was no evidence of racial bias in George Zimmerman’s history, the Justice Department is trolling for email tips on the former neighborhood watch volunteer as it weighs a possible federal civil rights case against him.
 
Cider said:
So apparently DOJ has set up a tip line for people to report Zimmerman’s racist acts.

More than a year after an FBI report indicated there was no evidence of racial bias in George Zimmerman’s history, the Justice Department is trolling for email tips on the former neighborhood watch volunteer as it weighs a possible federal civil rights case against him.
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“Big Brother” is officially here.
 
Tomdstone said:
You have not proven that his fiancée has lied. She is innocent of your charge of lying until she is proven guilty in a court of law.
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And note, this was in your response that because he agreed to go to rehab, he must have been guilty of the charges.

“Would it surprise you that some folks look at the cost of defending against a charge which will cost 1,000s of dollars and may take years, and you still may lose, against a rehab program that supposedly will do the same thing, only cost a couple hundred and be over with in perhaps a few months with a guarantee of no felony conviction? Do the math, what’s the smart call? How much money do you have? How much faith do you have in all juries?”

Quite often in our legal system, a more logical, less costly, and less risky way to have charges dropped is to compromise with the court vice outright fighting the charges. Zimmerman may have felt the charges were completely bogus-- but the rehab agreement achieved the objective quicker, cheaper, and easier.

Hence, I also cited the story of the football player as an example of someone agreeing to conviction despite actually being innocenct…
(His story has been in the news, I don’t know if you’ve seen it? He’s been given a tryout by one of the NFL teams, not sure how it worked out).

ETA: story from April

cnn.com/2013/04/03/us/georgia-football-player-exonerated

"At age 17, fearing a potentially long sentence, the college football prospect followed the advice of his attorney and pleaded no contest to assaulting a Long Beach, California, high school classmate in 2002.

“Banks was faced with an impossible decision at the time – either fight the charges and risk spending 41 years to life in prison, or take a plea deal and spend a little over five years of actual prison confinement,” the California Innocence Project says on its website. “Although it would mean destroying his chance to go to college and play football, a lengthy probationary period, and a lifetime of registration as a sex offender, Banks chose the lesser of two evils when he pleaded no contest to the charges.” "
 
Dawnia said:
There fixed it for you. 😃
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Why would they have Swedish skys in Switzerland? Sweden=Scandinavia, between Norway and Finland. Switzerland = the nation between France, Austria, Germany, and Italy.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
Why would they have Swedish skys in Switzerland? Sweden=Scandinavia, between Norway and Finland. Switzerlund = the nation between the clasic powers of the Lombard league/Italy, France, and Germany & Austria/the holy roman empire.
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you mean Austria-Hungary.
 
Inego_de_Loyola said:
Why would they have Swedish skys in Switzerland? Sweden=Scandinavia, between Norway and Finland. Switzerlund = the nation between the clasic powers of the Lombard league/Italy, France, and Germany & Austria/the holy roman empire.
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:rotfl: I saw reference to both Swedish & Swiss and picked one.

I think one of them just needs to change their name so it’s not so confusing. 😃
 
Fairwinds said:
you mean Austria-Hungary.
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No I don’t. That was a fairly brief arrangement. Though if only Franz Ferdinand had survived we may still be speaking of trade relations between the USA and the United States of Great Austria.
 
Cider said:
So apparently DOJ has set up a tip line for people to report Zimmerman’s racist acts.

More than a year after an FBI report indicated there was no evidence of racial bias in George Zimmerman’s history, the Justice Department is trolling for email tips on the former neighborhood watch volunteer as it weighs a possible federal civil rights case against him.
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:(:mad:

The powers that be aren’t going to leave Zimmerman alone. They will only be satisfied when his life is over, but first it will have to be completely and utterly laid to waste and ruined, first he will have to pay and pay and pay for daring to defend his own life. Disgusting.
 
LisaA said:
My sentiments exactly. But realize the Zimmerman case provides cover for failing to address REAL issues in minority communities. Feigned outrage about a non-issue masks the complete failure of our social service policies and government programs designed to help minority children out of the mire of generational poverty, lack of two parent homes, drugs, violence and crime.
Lisa
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