Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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MaryT777 said:
I was under the impression that the shooting being ruled as self defense negates any civil recourse in Z’s state

Federal issues would be another matter.

I could be wrong though.
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you’re right. his use of force was deemed appropriate so he cannot be held civilly liable for a legitimate use of force for self defense…so far, Floridians are still allowed to defend themselves from an unlawful assault…
 
Zimmerman gained weight waiting for trial but as said in the trial, he may have been “physically soft”, the guy is not trim. Just common sense says he would be slow compared to Trayvon Martin.
Anyway, this is about the DOJ looking at this, as for a Civil Lawsuit, before the verdict was reached, it is my understanding there has already been a Civil Lawsuit filed and I don’t believe that can be nullifed or dismissed. Maybe new ones can’t be brought up however.
 
MaryT777 said:
I disagree Martin was stupid…so therefore I refrain from answering the rest of your comments given we have a very grave difference in stupidity.
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I don’t know what you would call someone who attacks someone who is following them. You think that is not a stupid move? Fighting someone isn’t a stupid move?

I think there is another reason why you don’t want to address the rest of my post. :rolleyes:
 
adrift said:
according to the jury.
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I thought the Jury ruled George Zimmerman was not guilty of committing murder.

Perhaps you can cite where the Jury says Trayvon Martin was foolish or violent.

Kindly provide a link or source please.
 
MaryT777 said:
This has been posted in the other Zimmerman thread and it’s unclear at this point if it’s correct. That was on a Sunday which most people felt was odd and also the President
released a written statement.

So we’ll see.
Maybe it is.
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So the FBI is done investigating Fast and Furious?
 
MaryT777 said:
If someone is being followed they can duck on my porch anytime
Zimmerman has absolutely no authority to decide if someone is trying to “get out of the rain” or is suspect.
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What Trayvon Martin was doing or not doing or Zimmerman are moot points.

It comes down to the last few minutes.

Did Trayvon Martin attack Zimmerman in such a way that it threatened Zimmerman’s life?

The jury answered yes
 
mek42 said:
Even if the youth started punching Zimmerman, which no one knows, Zimmerman was essentially stalking the youth and likely violated the version of manslaughter where you are not allowed to instigate a fight and then end up killing the other guy.

I’m very concerned that this case will have a chilling effect on other states adopting a stand your ground law.
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Please get some facts. SYG had nothing to do with this case. The evidence presented did not indicate Zimmerman was stalking Martin. The evidence did not indicate that Zimmerman instigated the fight. In fact the evidence indicated that Martin escalated the encounter by confronting Zimmerman.

Lisa
 
BroomWagon said:
I thought the Jury ruled George Zimmerman was not guilty of committing murder.

Perhaps you can cite where the Jury says Trayvon Martin was foolish or violent.

Kindly provide a link or source please.
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Whether or not he was secretly quite intelligent, he behaved in a foolish and violent manner that cost him his life. - Post #424
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You answered that this was according to the defense so cite your source. If it was stated by the defense than the not guilty verdict is an agreement with the defense.
 
adrift said:
You answered that this was according to the defense so cite your source.
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I did not say that.

A poster said that, I did not.

But you asserted the Jury asserted that Travyon was violent and foolish but that is false. So you don’t have a source. Thank you.
 
BroomWagon said:
I think the correct verdict was reached, however, if you say you are convinced based on what you say, then one can say in turn, George Zimmerman

And his ex-fiance was trying to get a Restraining Order placed on him too as indicated in the article.

And per the shoving of a Law Enforcement Officer:
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These are all interesting facts, (Which I have long been aware of) but I don’t think they are related to the case. Likewise, the diverse and eclectic skeletons in Treyvon’s closet are only supplemental (If even that) to my opinion of what happened that night.
 
adrift said:
You answered that this was according to the defense so cite your source. If it was stated by the defense than the not guilty verdict is an agreement with the defense.
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But the defense did not state Trayvon Martin was foolish anywhere.

You could say Trayvon Martin acted violently but one can say carrying a gun shows an intent to act violently too. IT would be difficult to say George Zimmerman did not act violently in using his gun, regardless of whether it was self defense, shooting someone dead is violence.
 
BroomWagon said:
I did not say that.

A poster said that, I did not.

But you asserted the Jury asserted that Travyon was violent and foolish but that is false. So you don’t have a source. Thank you.
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The jury didn’t say it directly, but in order to acquit someone based on self-defense, the other person has to be an imminent threat to the person. You’re not an imminent threat if you aren’t being violent/threatening violence. The jury said TM was violent through their verdict.

The foolish is just opinion. 🤷
 
BroomWagon said:
But the defense did not state Trayvon Martin was foolish anywhere.

You could say Trayvon Martin acted violently but one can say carrying a gun shows an intent to act violently too. IT would be difficult to say George Zimmerman did not act violently in using his gun, regardless of whether it was self defense, shooting someone dead is violence.
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No carrying a gun shows an intent to protect oneself and other innocents. Please get some facts. Citizens with concealed carry permits have prevented, stopped or reduced the level of violent crimes. Carrying a gun does not indicate a desire to engage in violence. I feel MUCH safer in an area where concealed carry permits exist and not at all safe in “gun free zones” that are oddly the site of the mass shootings that get all of the press these days.

As to Martin’s foolishness, if as the evidence shows, he confronted Zimmerman and engaged in a physical fight, not knowing whether or not Zimmerman were armed, that shows poor judgment if not outright foolishness. Martin was apparently annoyed if not worried by Zimmerman observing him (his words to Jeantel). If discretion is the better part of valor, Martin would have been displayed better judgement by heading home or if he were truly concerned that Zimmerman posed a threat to call 911 himself. He certainly had access to a cell phone.

Lisa
 
adrift said:
Than why did you say they did?
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It’s not your post so I won’t analyze further.

You can not show verbatim where anything else other than the Jury finding George Zimmerman not guilty of murder or other charges transpired. You can not find where the Jury asserts Trayvon Martin was violent or foolish, happy or sad. The jury did not rule on that.

One can say the Prosecution did not put up a good case to begin with which many analysts say.
 
MaryT777 said:
I was under the impression that the shooting being ruled as self defense negates any civil recourse in Z’s state

Federal issues would be another matter.

I could be wrong though.
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Actually Zimmerman has a civil case against NBC News for their editing of his call to the police. His lawyers go after them next.

washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/07/14/zimmerman-lawyer-to-move-asap-against-nbc-news/
Last night’s not-guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman trial will enable the neighborhood-watch volunteer to resume his case against NBC News for the mis-editing of his widely distributed call to police. Back in December, Zimmerman sued NBC Universal Media for defamation over the botched editing, which depicted him as a hardened racial profiler.
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NBC Universal Media responded to the Zimmerman complaint by noting that other media outlets played up the racial angle of Zimmerman’s deadly encounter with Trayvon Martin.
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The company also noted the pivotal nature of the second-degree murder case: “*f Zimmerman is convicted, that fact alone will constitute substantial evidence that the destruction of his reputation is the result of his own criminal conduct, and not of the broadcasts at issue which, like countless other news reports disseminated by media entities throughout the country, reported on the underlying events.”
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That formulation is now null.
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BroomWagon said:
It’s not your post so I won’t analyze further.

You can not show verbatim where anything else other than the Jury finding George Zimmerman not guilty of murder or other charges transpired. You can not find where the Jury asserts Trayvon Martin was violent or foolish, happy or sad. The jury did not rule on that.

One can say the Prosecution did not put up a good case to begin with which many analysts say.
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Just wondering - how can you claim self defense from a person who isn’t acting violently towards you?
 
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