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Robert_Bay
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BroomWagon
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I’m not projecting my own evaluation of the situation. The ME states quite clearly “could” not “was”.Are you saying Martin smoked so much pot that small amounts would have no effect?
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BroomWagon
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Reading something into a situation is not the same as a Jury’s verdict.You are starting to get there.
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estesbob
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Not according to the law.No, the fact that he was negligent in following TM after being told not to makes him guilty of manslaughter.
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SwizzleStick
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The jury did not agree with you. Why do you insist that you know better than the jury, especially since they had the benefit of seeing all the evidence, hearing all the testimony and were instructed on the law?No, the fact that he was negligent in following TM after being told not to makes him guilty of manslaughter.
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chero23
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This was not hate what so ever. Look facts are facts. First of all, George should of listened to the police operator on not followed mr. Martin. Alright he went against police instructions. But let’s look at the other side, how many 15 to 19 yr olds look and act “thuggish”. Here in dallas it’s not only a black thing, but Hispanics and whites want to blend in with their friends and feel that they must act a certain way to blend in.This was a hate crime. Zimmerman cannot take a life just because he got scared…a little coward with a gun. Hope the Feds prosecute him. Do a crime, you should do time. This was not self defense.
CNN had a piece out on Saturday, were an employee from the state got fired for giving information to the defense of trayvon’s phone texts and Facebook posts. Now mr. Martin is no angel in all of this. Should this had been avoided absolutely, but to say it was a hate crime based on color, umm the answer is a big no. Now, he probably did stereotyped mr. Martin
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Robert_Sock
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What about here on CAF?Go to Twitter, search “#Zimmerman” and you’ll find plenty of love and support for TM.
Worship God, not guns!
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SwizzleStick
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If Zimmerman had turned the other cheek, he would have likely been the deceased, Martin would have possibly gone to jail and none of us would have ever heard of either of them.I’m not questioning people’s faith, I’m just stating the fact that this thread is lacking in Catholic virtue. For example, where is the maxim of “turning the other cheek” being applied here?
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Robert_Sock
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Whose to say that the jury came up with the right verdict?The jury did not agree with you. Why do you insist that you know better than the jury, especially since they had the benefit of seeing all the evidence, hearing all the testimony and were instructed on the law?
LOVE, not guns!
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SwizzleStick
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Okay, I’ll play. Whose to say that the jury came up with the wrong verdict?Whose to say that the jury came up with the right verdict?
LOVE, not guns!
The FACTS supported Zimmerman. The EVIDENCE supported Zimmerman. The LAW supported Zimmerman.
What would support a different verdict other than emotion and feelings? You have to do better than that. If you can’t, then the jury got it right.
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Robert_Sock
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This is your assumption that TM was bashing GZ’s head into the ground prior to pulling his gun. Bottom line, we do not know. Either is plausible.If Zimmerman had turned the other cheek, he would have likely been the deceased, Martin would have possibly gone to jail and none of us would have ever heard of either of them.
Worship God, not guns!
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SwizzleStick
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We already went over this and it is basic common sense that Zimmerman did not first pull his weapon. It is not at all plausible. When someone carries, one is prepared to use one’s weapon when one pulls it. If Zimmerman had pulled his weapon prior to being assaulted, the assault would not have happened and Zimmerman would not have had a mark on him.This is your assumption that TM was bashing GZ’s head into the ground prior to pulling his gun.
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Robert_Sock
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No, what I’m saying is that TM may well have been on top of GZ, but the bashing of his head may not have occurred until after GZ pulled his gun.We already went over this and it is basic common sense that Zimmerman did not first pull his weapon. It is not at all plausible. When someone carries, one is prepared to use one’s weapon when one pulls it. If Zimmerman had pulled his weapon prior to being assaulted, the assault would not have happened and Zimmerman would not have had a mark on him.
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SwizzleStick
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Maybe this will help. Do you know how fast a bullet travels?No, what I’m saying is that TM may well have been on top of GZ, but the bashing of his head may not have occurred until GZ pulled his gun.
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Dawnia
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Unfortunately, it’s still legal for the Feds to bring different charges. Heck, the State apparently can re-try Zimmerman on manslaughter because it was a lesser included and not an actual charge.Of COURSE it is a different charge. But the charge is for the same ACT. Or should we be okay with a govt that simply keeps bringing new charges for the same act against someone when they didn’t get a conviction on other charges? You could keep someone locked up awaiting trials for decades under this standard.
There can be multiple crimes from the same act. I just saw a case (I think it was the kidnapping case) where the guy is charged with over 400 seperate counts stemming from his actions. GZ was only charged with a single count of 2nd degree murder.
If the government were to try to keep filing charges hoping that something sticks, GZs attorneys will deal with it. There are legal remedies to prevent that from happening.
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BroomWagon
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In the end though, the Jury finds there was not evidence to convict Zimmerman of murder or other charges. The jury is not surmising some of what people say. As they say, there are 4 minutes where we do NOT know what was going on, from the end of the 911 call until the one witness saw them on the grass and as the witness says, it looks like the person on top is using “ground and pound” MMA, Mixed Martial Arts. We don’t know for a fact, Martin strikes Zimmerman first, that is Zimmerman’s version.We already went over this and it is basic common sense that Zimmerman did not first pull his weapon. It is not at all plausible. When someone carries, one is prepared to use one’s weapon when one pulls it. If Zimmerman had pulled his weapon prior to being assaulted, the assault would not have happened and Zimmerman would not have had a mark on him.
Again, in the end, the jury finds there was not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman.
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SwizzleStick
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According to his autopsy, Martin had no injuries other than abrasions on his left hand and the gunshot wound. That supports Zimmerman’s account.…We don’t know for a fact, Martin strikes Zimmerman first, that is Zimmerman’s version. …
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holyrood
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I’d very much like to see this happen. Doesn’t the ACLU file cases on behalf of others? Why can’t pro-lifers and the ACLJ?can I request federal charges be filed against EVERY ABORTONIST in the USA for violating the civil rights of the UNBORN? The unborn baby GIRLS? The unborn baby BOYS? The unborn children who were NEVER given a chance to take their first steps, celebrate their first birthdays, their first trip to disney world or disney land? Their first swim lesson? Their right to VOTE??? Their first time seeing snow? I could go on and on…
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Robert_Sock
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TM may have struggled with the gun with one hand while bashing GZ’s head with the other. All it would have taken is one bashing for GZ to have sustained his injury.Maybe this will help. Do you know how fast a bullet travels?
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BroomWagon
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And Martin had no DNA on his hands, DNA can not be washed off. So one can say this supports the account that Martin was not pounding Zimmerman’s head into the pavement.According to his autopsy, Martin had no injuries other than abrasions on his left hand and the gunshot wound. That supports Zimmerman’s account.
This is why I say in the end, the Jury simply finds there is not a case against Zimmerman for murder and the other charges.
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