Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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BroomWagon said:
What is your source Trayvon Martin initiated the attack?

The only thing we know is that George Zimmerman was found not guilty of murder and other charges. There are 4 minutes where we basically only have Zimmerman’s narrative.

One and only one of the Jurors as of now states she believes Martin threw the first punch.

newsok.com/juror-b37-says-she-believes-martin-threw-first-punch-in-confrontation-with-zimmerman/article/3862765

However, a finding of Zimmerman being not guilty is not a statement of fact that Martin initiated the struggle.
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Orogeny said:
There was not one male on the jury, so how can you say they were a jury of his peers? Were there any “white hispanics” on the jury? Any neighborhood watch volunteers? Chubby guys with CHLs?

Is it your point that one must have people just like them on a jury to have a jury of one’s peers? If not, what is the point of your observation?

Peace

Tim
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So you are saying American Justice does not guarantee people under trial a jury of their peers? Gee! That’s a new one on me. And you make the observation about what someone’s point is??
jury of one’s peers n. a guaranteed right of criminal defendants, in which “peer” means an “equal.” This has been interpreted by courts to mean that the available jurors include a broad spectrum of the population, particularly of race, national origin and gender. Jury selection may include no process which excludes those of a particular race or intentionally narrows the spectrum of possible jurors. It does not mean that women are to be tried by women, Asians by Asians, or African Americans by African Americans. (See: jury)
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legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Jury+of+one%27s+peers
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It’s what the definition says! No reason to even go on on this. The definition is there. I’m surprised someone could question a citizen’s right to a jury of their peers.
 
BroomWagon said:
She may have been self-centered, one could also be scared, intimidated by the police.

I don’t think anyone says they have a problem with her because of skin color, in turn, I don’t think it’s a sure thing that Black people would be dismissive of her words and find “not guilty”. We don’t know.
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Orogeny said:
There was not one male on the jury, so how can you say they were a jury of his peers? Were there any “white hispanics” on the jury? Any neighborhood watch volunteers? Chubby guys with CHLs?

Is it your point that one must have people just like them on a jury to have a jury of one’s peers? If not, what is the point of your observation?

Peace

Tim
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I think an all black jury would have been unfair since the last two elections show that the majority of blacks (95% voted for Obama) automatically take the side of the one that is their race. Obama would not be the president if that same percentage of whites would have voted for the white candidate.
 
LisaA said:
The “problem” with young males is that their testosterone and bodies are developed but their impulse control is not. This is a reason more young men are involved in high risk activities, crime, drugs and violence. Apparently the part of the brain that regulates impulse control isn’t developed until the mid 20s.

So yes Martin was young as far as emotional maturity. But he was virtually an adult when it came to height, strength and physical ability. His history which was NOT allowed into the court room included drugs and a strong suspicion he was involved in a robbery.

He was not the little angel that the race baiters and the prosecution kept pushing. If I saw that sweet baby big brown eyes picture one more time I thought I was going to throw something through the TV screen. How about the one with the snarl and the gang signs?

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As was pointed out, Lisa, George Zimmerman also has a history, including more than one charge of domestic violence, confrontation with a police officer, and alcohol abuse. So neither one was an “angel”; but their history is not what was on trial.
 
BroomWagon said:
What is your source Trayvon Martin initiated the attack?
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The fact that the prosecution tried to argue that TM was justified in attacking GZ. It would be irrelevant whether or not GZ was following TM if GZ was the one who initiated the fight. But the prosecution/mainstream media made a point to argue about GZ’s following TM as if it justified GZ getting physically assaulted.
 
BroomWagon said:
So you are saying American Justice does not guarantee people under trial a jury of their peers? Gee! That’s a new one on me. And you make the observation about what someone’s point is??

It’s what the definition says! No reason to even go on on this. The definition is there. I’m surprised someone could question a citizen’s right to a jury of their peers.
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So you are maintaining that Zimmerman did not get a trial before a jury of his peers?

Peace

Tim
 
BroomWagon said:
What is your source Trayvon Martin initiated the attack?

The only thing we know is that George Zimmerman was found not guilty of murder and other charges. There are 4 minutes where we basically only have Zimmerman’s narrative.

One and only one of the Jurors as of now states she believes Martin threw the first punch.

newsok.com/juror-b37-says-she-believes-martin-threw-first-punch-in-confrontation-with-zimmerman/article/3862765

However, a finding of Zimmerman being not guilty is not a statement of fact that Martin initiated the struggle.
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GZ was always innocent and the government couldn’t prove otherwise. the jury had the power to decide and the jury’s finding of fact is the only finding that counts. you’re going to have to accept this one day. you’re like any protestant, disputing undisputable authority because you don’t like it.

it doesn’t matter who threw the first punch.

actually, bickering about who threw the first punch is what the lynch mob needs to string up GZ if they ever catch him. so congrats for throwing fuel on that fire.
 
BroomWagon said:
She may have been self-centered, one could also be scared, intimidated by the police.

I don’t think anyone says they have a problem with her because of skin color, in turn, I don’t think it’s a sure thing that Black people would be dismissive of her words and find “not guilty”. We don’t know.
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Not anyone here. However I have read several articles by sociologists trying to make that claim. That her speech and mannersims are a part of her black culture and therefore us simpleton white folks just can’t possibly understand her, and therefore any discounting of her statements must be based on racism.
 
meltzerboy said:
As was pointed out, Lisa, George Zimmerman also has a history, including more than one charge of domestic violence, confrontation with a police officer, and alcohol abuse. So neither one was an “angel”; but their history is not what was on trial.
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Nevertheless, following someone is not a crime. Physically attacking someone, as TM did to GZ, is a crime. Therefore, TM was the one who initiated a crime.
 
styrgwillidar said:
Not anyone here. However I have read several articles by sociologists trying to make that claim. That her speech and mannersims are a part of her black culture and therefore us simpleton white folks just can’t possibly understand her, and therefore any discounting of her statements must be based on racism.
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she comes across as a semi-literate teenager.
 
livingwordunity said:
I think an all black jury would have been unfair since the last two elections show that the majority of blacks (95% voted for Obama) automatically take the side of the one that is their race. Obama would not be the president if that same percentage of whites would have voted for the white candidate.
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Even if the jury is supposed to be composed of George Zimmerman’s peers (not Trayvon Martin’s), was it really so in its make-up of five White women, no men, and only one Hispanic? The only thing most of them might have had in common was they were gun owners who lived in the conservative district of Sanford, Florida. In a way, it’s sad we are so divided as a nation by race, gender, religion, politics, and in other ways, that juries have to encompass the cultural experiences of the accused as well as the victim. But that seems to be the case.
 
meltzerboy said:
Even if the jury is supposed to be composed of George Zimmerman’s peers (not Trayvon Martin’s), was it really so in its make-up of five White women, no men, and only one Hispanic? The only thing most of them might have had in common was they were gun owners who lived in the conservative district of Sanford, Florida. In a way, it’s sad we are so divided as a nation by race, gender, religion, politics, and in other ways, that juries have to encompass the cultural experiences of the accused as well as the victim. But that seems to be the case.
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none of this matters. the Government and accepted the jury.
 
livingwordunity said:
Nevertheless, following someone is not a crime. Physically attacking someone, as TM did to GZ, is a crime. Therefore, TM was the one who initiated a crime.
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You’re assuming again. GZ could have easily have initiated the fight. It too is plausible.
 
meltzerboy said:
Isn’t English her second language? If so, why couldn’t she have had a translator?
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she comes across as stupid, not as a non-English speaker. if the government or court thought she needed an interpreter, they’d have gotten one for her. as far as I know, however, there’s no ebonic-english certification for interpreters.
 
Whats your source that he didnt ?
BroomWagon said:
What is your source Trayvon Martin initiated the attack?

The only thing we know is that George Zimmerman was found not guilty of murder and other charges. There are 4 minutes where we basically only have Zimmerman’s narrative.

One and only one of the Jurors as of now states she believes Martin threw the first punch.

newsok.com/juror-b37-says-she-believes-martin-threw-first-punch-in-confrontation-with-zimmerman/article/3862765

However, a finding of Zimmerman being not guilty is not a statement of fact that Martin initiated the struggle.
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