Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

[garn9173]

TM didn’t kill Zimmerman. If I was suspiciously being racially profiled, stalked by a nutbag in my neighborhood, I would beat the **** out of that nutbag. I wouldn’t kill him. It is unneccessary.

No Catholic Pro Lifers should celebrate and praise the verdict! This case unfortunately turned into politics just because Obama was showing Christian compassion for TM. People have become so politically charged and are putting that as a priority over human dignity. And I can see that being displayed here on this site which is being high jacked by a political group. This political group put on a fascade of religiousity and piousness using CATHOLICISM but with an evil intent… I’ve seen in being displayed in actual rally, I’ve experienced it and am seeing this same thing here on this site being high jacked by pseudo fake Christians.

Someone has spent a little too much time reading the idiotic tweets people are sending with the #Zimmerman hashtag.

 

[fix]

If TM felt his life may be in danger, of course he could have justifiably initiated the fight.

Really? If some one looks like they are following you is there a legal or moral right to physically assault them?

 

[fix]

TM didn’t kill Zimmerman. If I was suspiciously being racially profiled, stalked by a nutbag in my neighborhood, I would beat the **** out of that nutbag. I wouldn’t kill him. It is unneccessary.

That would be gravely immoral and illegal.

No Catholic Pro Lifers should celebrate and praise the verdict!

Why not? A thug tried to beat a man to death.

This case unfortunately turned into politics just because Obama was showing Christian compassion for TM. People have become so politically charged and are putting that as a priority over human dignity. And I can see that being displayed here on this site which is being high jacked by a political group. This political group put on a fascade of religiousity and piousness using CATHOLICISM but with an evil intent… I’ve seen in being displayed in actual rally, I’ve experienced it and am seeing this same thing here on this site being high jacked by pseudo fake Christians.

Beating a man’s head in is a grave sin.

 

[fix]

Someone has spent a little too much time reading the idiotic tweets people are sending with the #Zimmerman hashtag.

Apparently we now have self identified Catholics claiming if one thinks they are being followed it is morally justified to beat that person. Must be the new morality. The new normal.

 

[Orogeny]

TM didn’t kill Zimmerman. If I was suspiciously being racially profiled, stalked by a nutbag in my neighborhood, I would beat the **** out of that nutbag. I wouldn’t kill him. It is unneccessary.

You know, your post says a lot about this entire case. You accuse a man of things that you can’t support, you threaten physical violence to him and, in conclusion, you make him to be the bad guy. You would not have even heard of this case if the roles had been reversed. Think about that.

No Catholic Pro Lifers should celebrate and praise the verdict! This case unfortunately turned into politics just because Obama was showing Christian compassion for TM.

This case turned into a racial case because some people have to make everything about race - even when they have no reason to. Ask NBC’s lawyers what they think of their racist editing of the Zimmerman phone call right about now.

People have become so politically charged and are putting that as a priority over human dignity.

Yeah, we should accuse people of being racist nutbag stalkers and threaten to beat the **** out of them. That is clearly putting human dignity over politics.

And I can see that being displayed here on this site which is being high jacked by a political group. This political group put on a fascade of religiousity and piousness using CATHOLICISM but with an evil intent… I’ve seen in being displayed in actual rally, I’ve experienced it and am seeing this same thing here on this site being high jacked by pseudo fake Christians.

Pseudo fake Christians? Doesn’t that make them real Christians?

Peace

Tim

 

[Dawnia]

TM didn’t kill Zimmerman. If I was suspiciously being racially profiled, stalked by a nutbag in my neighborhood, I would beat the **** out of that nutbag. I wouldn’t kill him. It is unneccessary.

No Catholic Pro Lifers should celebrate and praise the verdict! This case unfortunately turned into politics just because Obama was showing Christian compassion for TM. People have become so politically charged and are putting that as a priority over human dignity. And I can see that being displayed here on this site which is being high jacked by a political group. This political group put on a fascade of religiousity and piousness using CATHOLICISM but with an evil intent… I’ve seen in being displayed in actual rally, I’ve experienced it and am seeing this same thing here on this site being high jacked by pseudo fake Christians.

Of course, because assaulting someone because of your own paranoia is oh so loving & Christian.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Really? If some one looks like they are following you is there a legal or moral right to physically assault them?

If they perceive that person to be a crack freak, then perhaps yes. And we do not know what GZ might have done to initiate the confrontation. For example, he could have been reaching for his gun.

 

[styrgwillidar]

tm didn’t kill zimmerman. If i was suspiciously being racially profiled, stalked by a nutbag in my neighborhood, i would beat the **** out of that nutbag. I wouldn’t kill him. It is unneccessary.

and that person would be justified in killing you. With his hands, a knife, a gun, up untill the point you are no longer a threat to them. Apart from the morality of attacking someone simply for having the audacity to take up space on your planet in your vicinity, legally they are no threat to you. Since that person isn’t a mind reader, they have no clue how far you’re willing to take it. That you’re graciously willing to stop at just maiming, crippling, blinding, or whatever your acceptable level of mayhem is.

Of course there is no evidence to indicate zimmerman racially profiled tm. There is also evidence he wasn’t stalking m. Really, really, difficult to be stalking someone that got away, and that you no longer see because you stopped keeping them in sight when the dispatcher said ‘we don’t need you to do that’

if you were to attack me because you profiled me as a nutbag, i would do everything in my power to survive. Run if i could, but kill if you force me to. I am not a mind reader and don’t pretend to be.

no catholic pro lifers should celebrate and praise the verdict!
no, but we shoul be grateful we have a system of justice to settle these things and be grateful folks were willing to serve, viewed and considered all the evidence vice going on emotion, misconception and third hand reports, and rendered a just verdict

this case unfortunately turned into politics just because obama was showing christian compassion for tm.
sorry, he inserted himself on one side of an incident of which he had no knowledge. Making it about race. The cynical might say taking advantage of an opportunity to increase the vote from a black segment whose support for him had been declining.

people have become so politically charged and are putting that as a priority over human dignity.
true, they keep insisting someone was racially profiling when it has been proven they weren’t

and i can see that being displayed here on this site which is being high jacked by a political group. This political group put on a fascade of religiousity and piousness using catholicism but with an evil intent… I’ve seen in being displayed in actual rally, i’ve experienced it and am seeing this same thing here on this site being high jacked by pseudo fake christians.
well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I would give it more consideration if you were familiar with the basic facts of the case and how you stated you would act.

 

[fix]

If they perceive that person to be a crack freak, then perhaps yes. And we do not know what GZ might have done to initiate the confrontation. For example, he could have been reaching for his gun.

Physical violence must be in proportion to the threat. Just because one thinks they are followed is not evidence one gets to beat a man to death.

As for this case we have head injuries to GZ and screaming by GZ. I see no evidence TM acted justly at all.

 

[liturgyluver]

One punch can kill a man.

But it didn’t, did it. Not even concussion.

 

[fix]

I did not say that the jury’s decision should not be accepted. As far as I can see, it had little choice given Florida’s ludicrous laws. But that doesn’t mean that people can suddenly pretend things happened when there is no evidence that they did.

Which law? The one that says people have a right to self defense?

 

[maryjk]

If they perceive that person to be a crack freak, then perhaps yes. And we do not know what GZ might have done to initiate the confrontation. For example, he could have been reaching for his gun.

If you believe Jeantel, she said Martin used the term “cracker,” a derogatory racist word for a Caucasian. Not a “crack freak” or a term for a crack freak.

 

[Robert_Sock]

If you believe Jeantel, she said Martin used the term “cracker,” a derogatory racist word for a Caucasian. Not a “crack freak” or a term for a crack freak.

OK. But it’s still plausible that GZ may have been reaching for his gun.

 

[je333]

Why? Guilt or innocence is not a pro-life issue. The reference to the Tea Party shows a politically motivation. A court of law is not about politics.

I’ve read enough people’s posts and attended rallies to make that assumption. I am only trying to protect a true Catholic Flock from a hybrid political conservative groups because as I can see it, the true Catholic Flock is prone to anything “conservative” which is sad because they are not able to disguish political conservative from a religious conservative.

Pro-Life is not exclusively for Abortion issues either.

 

[styrgwillidar]

If they perceive that person to be a crack freak, then perhaps yes. And we do not know what GZ might have done to initiate the confrontation. For example, he could have been reaching for his gun.

He could have, however, it would be out of character for Zimmerman. Just as it would have been out of character for him to confront M. Zimmerman had a long history of calls to the police, a history of how he handled these things. Its what lends credence to him losing sight and then inadvertantly regaining contact. That and the actual tape and I agree with the dispatchers description of the call that he and Z think the incident has ended with police to follow-up.

He did know the law, he knew it would be committing a number of felonies drawing the weapon prior to perceiving himself in imminent fear for his life/serious bodily harm. He had only deemed Martin suspicious. I could see him doing this perhaps if he had actually witnessed a crime, or seen someone else in danger. But that’s not what he’d told the dispatcher.

I also think if it occured that way, it would have been a struggle for control of the weapon vice a ground and pound. Not the way the fight was described by the witnesses.

I agree, we can’t know for sure.

 

[styrgwillidar]

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Pro-Life is not exclusively for Abortion issues either.

Agreed.

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.66

 

[fix]

I’ve read enough people’s posts and attended rallies to make that assumption. I am only trying to protect a true Catholic Flock from a hybrid political conservative groups because as I can see it, the true Catholic Flock is prone to anything “conservative” which is sad because they are not able to disguish political conservative from a religious conservative.

Pro-Life is not exclusively for Abortion issues either.

Self defense is pro life.

 

[fix]

I’ve read enough people’s posts and attended rallies to make that assumption. I am only trying to protect a true Catholic Flock from a hybrid political conservative groups because as I can see it, the true Catholic Flock is prone to anything “conservative” which is sad because they are not able to disguish political conservative from a religious conservative.

Pro-Life is not exclusively for Abortion issues either.

You would attack a man because you think he may be following you? That is Catholic?

 

[liturgyluver]

Which law? The one that says people have a right to self defense?

theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/07/trayvon-martin-and-the-irony-of-american-justice/277782/

 

[Robert_Sock]

He could have, however, it would be out of character for Zimmerman. Just as it would have been out of character for him to confront M. Zimmerman had a long history of calls to the police, a history of how he handled these things. Its what lends credence to him losing sight and then inadvertantly regaining contact. That and the actual tape and I agree with the dispatchers description of the call that he and Z think the incident has ended with police to follow-up.

He did know the law, he knew it would be committing a number of felonies drawing the weapon prior to perceiving himself in imminent fear for his life/serious bodily harm. He had only deemed Martin suspicious. I could see him doing this perhaps if he had actually witnessed a crime, or seen someone else in danger. But that’s not what he’d told the dispatcher.

I also think if it occured that way, it would have been a struggle for control of the weapon vice a ground and pound. Not the way the fight was described by the witnesses.

I agree, we can’t know for sure.

As was pointed out, Lisa, George Zimmerman also has a history, including more than one charge of domestic violence, confrontation with a police officer, and alcohol abuse. So neither one was an “angel”; but their history is not what was on trial.

With GZ’s history, I think GZ may very well have had a quick temper that could have led to the confrontation.