Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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je333 said:
I’ve read enough people’s posts and attended rallies to make that assumption. I am only trying to protect a true Catholic Flock from a hybrid political conservative groups because as I can see it, the true Catholic Flock is prone to anything “conservative” which is sad because they are not able to disguish political conservative from a religious conservative.

Pro-Life is not exclusively for Abortion issues either.
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Legitimate defense

2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor… the one is intended, the other is not."65

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful… Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.

2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another’s life. Preserving the common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm. To this end, those holding legitimate authority have the right to repel by armed force aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their charge.66

By the way I just noticed your signature. It’s good advice that I see not really being taken to heart in your posts.
 
Then you would’ve died… the dems ( Pelosi the most prominent ) claims she is Catholic but advocates murder ( abortion ) and homsexual agenda. Those are the nutbags. You attacks are getting old.

tm brought this on himself and if Z didn’t defend himself he would’ve been killed. Lethal force here is moraly justified.

obama did NOT show Christian compassion… he was just using this for his own gain.

This political group put on a fascade of religiousity and piousness using CATHOLICISM but with an evil intent is the Democratic party.

And you calling us fake Christians needs to stop.
je333 said:
TM didn’t kill Zimmerman. If I was suspiciously being racially profiled, stalked by a nutbag in my neighborhood, I would beat the **** out of that nutbag. I wouldn’t kill him. It is unneccessary.

No Catholic Pro Lifers should celebrate and praise the verdict! This case unfortunately turned into politics just because Obama was showing Christian compassion for TM. People have become so politically charged and are putting that as a priority over human dignity. And I can see that being displayed here on this site which is being high jacked by a political group. This political group put on a fascade of religiousity and piousness using CATHOLICISM but with an evil intent… I’ve seen in being displayed in actual rally, I’ve experienced it and am seeing this same thing here on this site being high jacked by pseudo fake Christians.
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je333 said:
I’ve read enough people’s posts and attended rallies to make that assumption. I am only trying to protect a true Catholic Flock from a hybrid political conservative groups because as I can see it, the true Catholic Flock is prone to anything “conservative” which is sad because they are not able to disguish political conservative from a religious conservative.
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I think it would be better to worry about your own political beam rather than a potential speck in someone else’s eye. You use the word such as “true Catholic flock” and “protect”. I would say that you sound as political as anyone here. Catholicism is not about politics and assumptions are, well, you probably know the old adage.
 
je333 said:
TM didn’t kill Zimmerman. If I was suspiciously being racially profiled, stalked by a nutbag in my neighborhood, I would beat the **** out of that nutbag…
No Catholic Pro Lifers should celebrate and praise the verdict! …
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You would? I would call the police. It would have been better if Trayvon Martin had done that. He would be alive.

FYI - If someone is following you, how do you know the reason? Are you a telepath by any chance?
 
je333 said:
TM didn’t kill Zimmerman. If I was suspiciously being racially profiled, stalked by a nutbag in my neighborhood, I would beat the **** out of that nutbag. I wouldn’t kill him. It is unneccessary.
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Since the prosecution brought forward no evidence that there was racial profiling that happened, what evidence do you have for your statement. In addition, your classification of him as a ‘nutbag’ seems baseless in light of the facts presented in the case. Do you have knowledge of a psychiatric assessment of GZ that the rest of the public is unaware of?
No Catholic Pro Lifers should celebrate and praise the verdict! .
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How would the Catholic Pro-Life cause be advanced by sending a man to jail when there was no moral wrong in his actions.

Here is the Church’s teaching on self-defense ( given by Pope John Paul II in his encyclical “The Gospel of Life”
Moreover, “legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another’s life, the common good of the family or of the State”. Unfortunately it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose action brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason.
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I presume that every pro-life Catholic would be in full agreement with the teachings offered by soon to be Saint Pope John Paul II
 
fix said:
Aside from the blood, injuries, and screaming?
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A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a “closed fracture” of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation
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abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.UeWHfZXD85s
 
fix said:
Apparently beating in some man’s head is no big deal these days. How comforting for our civilization.
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Again, it could easily have been self defense after TM saw GZ go for his gun. Why all these one-sided assumptions? Bottom line: We do not know who initiated the confrontation.
 
SwizzleStick said:
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Martin certainly did beat Zimmerman’s head and there is ample evidence of that.
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No. This is what Zimmerman says happened. It might be true, it might not. We do not know. Expert testimony also said the head injuries could have been caused by one punch and fall to the ground - there was no concussion.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Again, it could easily have been self defense after TM saw GZ go for his gun. Why all these one-sided assumptions. Bottom line: We do not know who initiated the confrontation.
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We do not. Mr Zimmerman is no hero for his actions.
 
I really don’t get how some people expect to be taken seriously when they obviously have no clue about the evidence presented in the trial. I mean really. Speaking only for myself, the only reason I’m bothering to respond is so that hopefully some other ill informed person can see the facts.
 
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