Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

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Robert_Sock said:
Again, it could easily have been self defense after TM saw GZ go for his gun. Why all these one-sided assumptions? Bottom line: We do not know who initiated the confrontation.
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Self defense does not include beating a man’s head on the ground. That is not defense but aggression. You can ignore the evidence all you want but the behavior was deadly wrong.
 
liturgyluver said:
No. This is what Zimmerman says happened. It might be true, it might not. We do not know. Expert testimony also said the head injuries could have been caused by one punch and fall to the ground - there was no concussion.
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Did you miss the witness that testified seeing Martin on top of Zimmerman and beating him MMA style?

Did he lie?
 
Cider said:
I really don’t get how some people expect to be taken seriously when they obviously have no clue about the evidence presented in the trial. I mean really. Speaking only for myself, the only reason I’m bothering to respond is so that hopefully some other ill informed person can see the facts.
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I agree. To deny the obvious is not helpful at all.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Again, it could easily have been self defense after TM saw GZ go for his gun. Why all these one-sided assumptions? Bottom line: We do not know who initiated the confrontation.
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FYI, the state ballistics expert testified that the shot was fired when TM was on top of GZ. According to the ballistics evidence (shot path, powder residue and burn marks), GZ was on the ground with TM on top of him
 
liturgyluver said:
No. This is what Zimmerman says happened. It might be true, it might not. We do not know. Expert testimony also said the head injuries could have been caused by one punch and fall to the ground - there was no concussion.
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Zimmerman had a likely broken nose, two lacerations on the back of his head and multiple bruises, bumps and contusions all over his head. He got all of those from one punch and fall to the ground?
 
je333 said:
TM didn’t kill Zimmerman. If I was suspiciously being racially profiled, stalked by a nutbag in my neighborhood, I would beat the **** out of that nutbag. I wouldn’t kill him. It is unneccessary.

No Catholic Pro Lifers should celebrate and praise the verdict! This case unfortunately turned into politics just because Obama was showing Christian compassion for TM. People have become so politically charged and are putting that as a priority over human dignity. And I can see that being displayed here on this site which is being high jacked by a political group. This political group put on a fascade of religiousity and piousness using CATHOLICISM but with an evil intent… I’ve seen in being displayed in actual rally, I’ve experienced it and am seeing this same thing here on this site being high jacked by pseudo fake Christians.
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The first thing wrong in your post is that it wasn’t Martin’s neighbrohood. 🤷
 
SwizzleStick said:
Zimmerman had a likely broken nose, two lacerations on the back of his head and multiple bruises, bumps and contusions all over his head. He got all of those from one punch and fall to the ground?
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As my Grandpa used to say, there would be 2 hits…me hitting you and you hitting and the ground 😛
 
pnewton said:
You would? I would call the police. It would have been better if Trayvon Martin had done that. He would be alive.

FYI - If someone is following you, how do you know the reason? Are you a telepath by any chance?
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;):D:thumbsup:
 
Robert_Sock said:
With GZ’s history, I think GZ may very well have had a quick temper that could have led to the confrontation.
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In focusing on the verdict which some people were saying was a ‘travesty of justice’, I’ve tried to focus on what was availble to the jury.

Why I object to folks who continue to say Zimmerman followed Martion, ignored what they mischaracterize as an order from the dispatcher etc. etc. Evidence and facts presented clearly show that is incorrect.

I see Zimmermans more recent conduct, particularly in volunteering in various aspects of his nieghborhood, advocacy for the black homeless man, his handling of prior call-ins of suspicious persons as more germane to the incident. We all tend to grow up, and I don’t know the full details of the prior incidents.

However, if we’re going to consider material on background not available to the jury there is the evidence that Martin actually did participate in burglaries, being caught at school with stolen property. We also have his texts and images from his phone about fighting, guns, etc.

Again, Zimmermans story was consistent with the facts and evidence. Although he was pretty stupid to do it, he was fully cooperative with the police, didn’t get a lawyer while he made statements, participated in re-enactments, took and passed two lie-detector tests. So I don’t think he had a guilty conscience.
 
Robert_Sock said:
With GZ’s history, I think GZ may very well have had a quick temper that could have led to the confrontation.
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Except that you have evidence that GZ was calm, informing police of the concern, making arrangements with the dispatcher where to meet police, afterward was completely cooperative, did not immediately “lawyer up” and continued to cooperate after the incident.

You’re trying very hard to ignore the evidence that TM initiated the confrontation. We have this in Zimmerman’s words, in Jeantel’s words (even if she’s not that believable when what she says agrees with Zimmerman’s rendition it is more likely to be true). TM had fled the scene. According to the track on the photo I previously posted he was a significant distance from Zimmerman during the time of the call.

Think about what makes the most sense. That Zimmerman having arranged to meet police, speaking on the phone with the dispatcher, spent the time tracking down TM and although shorter, slower and less athletic than TM decided to pick a fight with him? Given his history of reporting incidents, working with neighbors and police, there is no evidence that he would suddenly change his tactics and be engaged in a fist or gunfight just as the police arrived.

Use some logic and get emotion out of it. It makes far more sense that TM was angered by being followed. He was a young black man who had probably experienced the suspicion of others. He was interested and had engaged in street fighting and was probably confident he could teach the “crazy a** cracka” a lesson. For all he knew GZ was just some nosy neighbor wanting to know what a black kid was doing in “his” neighborhood. Impulse control is low, testosterone is high.

I think he circled back, saw GZ and unfortunately the words and fists flew, resulting in Martin’s death.

That is the story told by GZ, by the witnesses such as they were, by the call to the dispatcher, and by the “map” of their respective travels that evening.

Lisa
 
Just tuned in, getting back to Miss Jeantel for a second, I just want to say…
I remember when I was nineteen years old, a very, very long time ago like almost 70years. I was cited for cutting through the open traffic gates next to the platform of a train stop.
I had to appear in court and I was so terrified of the proceeds I became tongue-tied.
I can relate to19yr old Rachel ,my goodness, she had to testify be in the trial of her shot to death friend. The defense , in my opinion showed her no compassion , and I thought bullied her for hours on the stand. Peace, Carlan
 
je333 said:
👍👍 And that’s what was TM was doing because he felt his life was in danger for being stalked by Z.
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There is no evidence he was in immediate danger of great bodily harm or death. Martin had no injuries other than the single gun shot wound that happened after he attacked Zimmerman and the right hand he punched Zimmerman with, he had no defensive wounds.
 
tm went for Z’s gun… was hitting his head against the cement… I woulda shot him too.
Robert_Sock said:
Again, it could easily have been self defense after TM saw GZ go for his gun. Why all these one-sided assumptions? Bottom line: We do not know who initiated the confrontation.
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