Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

[LisaA]

Yep I saw the interview. She said he’ll have a lot of questions to answer for God though.
Perfect justice out trumps imperfect justice for a dead man.

Then why don’t you demonstrate some faith in God’s perfect judgment and quit speculating, assuming and fabricating alternative scenarios? I was delighted though to see you did post a fact. Martin is dead. That we both agree upon.

As to the juror, I saw this as well. As she said, like YOU and others, the fact that Martin is dead means someone is “guilty” But at least this juror had enough integrity to consider the evidence, consider the law and follow the instructions.

The verdict was not to your liking nor to this juror’s either. However at least she was acquainted with the evidence and understood her duty was not to promote an ideology but to render a verdict based on the evidence presented.

Lisa

 

[MaryT777]

“persons like Z” are what, exactly? How well do you know him? And how do you know Martin was “innocent”? You don’t. If one believes Zimmerman, as the jury did, Martin was most definitely not “innocent”. He tried to kill or seriously injure a man.

"Stay in your car??? And if you’re not in your car? And if the assailant breaks the window, which is quite easy to do?

You’re not safe sitting in a car. I thought everybody knew that.

You’re safer getting out and following someone?
They might be carrying a concealed weapon
If Zimmerman wasn’t safe in his car he should have driven away and gone home; he’d already done the job of a CITIZEN on NW which is to call the police.
Go home if you’re not safe in your car.

Martin did not seriously injure or kill anyone. Martin was seriously injured and killed.
Not Zimmerman.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The way restraining orders work is *anyone *goes in and says pretty much *anything *about someone else, and the restraining order is handed down. There is no consideration of whether or not the facts even make sense (a la David Letterman), much less of their veracity.

Now, had his ex-fiancee gone to the police and charged Zimmerman with all this and there had been a court case and there was a guilty verdict, then you might have a case. Bit what we have with the restraining orders is he-said, she-said. And here you are, believing her words as gospel truth in order to throw mud on someone’s whose statements 1. are corraborated by what evidence there is, and 2. were given before he knew what that evidence was, and 3. were given at a time when he had been told there might be a video of the incident–to which he had replied Thank God.

If the temporary restraining order against Zimmerman had been made permanent, which is the case if the judge believes it after a hearing, he would not have been able to own a gun at all.

 

[MaryT777]

Then why don’t you demonstrate some faith in God’s perfect judgment and quit speculating, assuming and fabricating alternative scenarios? I was delighted though to see you did post a fact. Martin is dead. That we both agree upon.

As to the juror, I saw this as well. As she said, like YOU and others, the fact that Martin is dead means someone is “guilty” But at least this juror had enough integrity to consider the evidence, consider the law and follow the instructions.

The verdict was not to your liking nor to this juror’s either. However at least she was acquainted with the evidence and understood her duty was not to promote an ideology but to render a verdict based on the evidence presented.

Lisa

The verdict was exactly what I expected given Martin is dead and can’t testify.

I have complete faith in God; I’m not here trying to make Zimmerman a saint because he was acquitted. He had a history of lying and violence.

In my opinion the same take the law into your own hands mentality Z seemed to have will now haunt him by others with the exact same mentality. He will not rest in peace on this side of eternity. I also believe that that is dead wrong as well.

 

[GaryTaylor]

If Zimmerman wasn’t safe in his car he should have driven away and gone home; he’d already done the job of a CITIZEN.

He’s not the driving away kind of guy which his recent heroic efforts display. Not saying I agree at all he should have been the guy for the job in the first place.

 

[MaryT777]

If the temporary restraining order against Zimmerman had been made permanent, which is the case if the judge believes it after a hearing, he would not have been able to own a gun at all.

Good point! Also if the assault on a police officer had not been settled by attending an alcohol awareness program he wouldn’t be able to own a gun at all. Was he drunk while he assaulted the police officer? Not a good plan.

That’s that problem with such “deals” to keep felonies off records.

 

[MaryT777]

He’s not the driving away kind of guy which his recent heroic efforts display. Not saying I agree at all he should have been the guy for the job in the first place.

No he’s the get out and look around kind of guy for sure! Nice he did that though.
I’m awaiting the public thank you; maybe that will help his plight.

 

[Ridgerunner]

You’re safer getting out and following someone?
They might be carrying a concealed weapon
If Zimmerman wasn’t safe in his car he should have driven away and gone home; he’d already done the job of a CITIZEN on NW which is to call the police.
Go home if you’re not safe in your car.

Martin did not seriously injure or kill anyone. Martin was seriously injured and killed.
Not Zimmerman.

If there is a potentially threatening person on foot and your car is not moving, you’re safer out of the car than in it. Yes.

You’re right that Zimmerman would have been better off to have driven away. Better still not to have been involved with neighborhood watch at all. I feel pretty confident nobody will want to be in neighborhood watch after this. So, it’s every man for himself. Right?

Did you personally inspect Zimmerman’s injuries? Do you know for certain there was no internal bleeding? People get brain damage all the time from less than this, and some die.
Do you know when Martin would have stopped? No you don’t. Nor did Zimmerman.

Was Zimmerman supposed to wait until Martin stopped hitting his head against the pavement on his own? Was he supposed to be thinking “I’ll just wait until I can feel serious brain injury coming on, but until then I’ll just let him see what he can do. Hope I don’t black out.”?

Maybe you think Zimmerman should have thought that, but I sincerely doubt you would if faced with the same thing. You would treat him even more harshly than you are treating Zimmerman here and now.

The jury thought Zimmerman had a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury. You don’t . They heard the evidence. You didn’t.

 

[St_Francis]

Dad Judge is in hiding now. He’s as much of a Judge as we perceive it as GZ was a police officer. My point is that is what GZ called him as well as his official title in that state at the time.
Yes I do believe he could have had some pull at the time of the assault on the police officer and the girlfriend.
On this trial no. He was in hiding during it; lose your “pull” if you had any then.

srsly? You make things up about people and put it on the internet?

 

[Deana83]

He was not the little angel that the race baiters and the prosecution kept pushing. If I saw that sweet baby big brown eyes picture one more time I thought I was going to throw something through the TV screen. How about the one with the snarl and the gang signs?
Lisa

Exactly, he was a thug but I don’t think he deserved to die. I think Zimmerman should’ve been charged with involuntary manslaughter. But, the the guy did have ample opportunity to turn around and say,“Hey I’m not armed,” and put up his hands. If he would’ve been a white gangsta it wouldn’t even have made the news.

 

[GaryTaylor]

No he’s the get out and look around kind of guy for sure! Nice he did that though.
I’m awaiting the public thank you; maybe that will help his plight.

I hear the couple is in fear of their life from the black panthers. Too scared to talk.

 

[Robert_Sock]

If there is a potentially threatening person on foot and your car is not moving, you’re safer out of the car than in it. Yes.

You’re right that Zimmerman would have been better off to have driven away. Better still not to have been involved with neighborhood watch at all. I feel pretty confident nobody will want to be in neighborhood watch after this. So, it’s every man for himself. Right?

Did you personally inspect Zimmerman’s injuries? Do you know for certain there was no internal bleeding? People get brain damage all the time from less than this, and some die.
Do you know when Martin would have stopped? No you don’t. Nor did Zimmerman.

Was Zimmerman supposed to wait until Martin stopped hitting his head against the pavement on his own? Was he supposed to be thinking “I’ll just wait until I can feel serious brain injury coming on, but until then I’ll just let him see what he can do. Hope I don’t black out.”?

Maybe you think Zimmerman should have thought that, but I sincerely doubt you would if faced with the same thing. You would treat him even more harshly than you are treating Zimmerman here and now.

The jury thought Zimmerman had a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury. You don’t . They heard the evidence. You didn’t.

Again, we don’t have TM’s perspective because he is dead. For example, it could very well be that TM began to bang GZ’s head after GZ went for his gun. And again, why would TM risk life in prison by banging GZ’s head into the ground unless he felt threatened?

 

[MaryT777]

If there is a potentially threatening person on foot and your car is not moving, you’re safer out of the car than in it. Yes.

You’re right that Zimmerman would have been better off to have driven away. Better still not to have been involved with neighborhood watch at all. I feel pretty confident nobody will want to be in neighborhood watch after this. So, it’s every man for himself. Right?

Did you personally inspect Zimmerman’s injuries? Do you know for certain there was no internal bleeding? People get brain damage all the time from less than this, and some die.
Do you know when Martin would have stopped? No you don’t. Nor did Zimmerman.

Was Zimmerman supposed to wait until Martin stopped hitting his head against the pavement on his own? Was he supposed to be thinking “I’ll just wait until I can feel serious brain injury coming on, but until then I’ll just let him see what he can do. Hope I don’t black out.”?

Maybe you think Zimmerman should have thought that, but I sincerely doubt you would if faced with the same thing. You would treat him even more harshly than you are treating Zimmerman here and now.

The jury thought Zimmerman had a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury. You don’t . They heard the evidence. You didn’t.

I don’t disagree with the acquittal. It was necessary. The only evidence was killed.

The eyewitnesses were inconsistent with each other and often themselves.

Actually your post made me think of the obvious; drive away. Report the problem and go home and let the police come. They make it explicitly clear they don’t want you following people around. That’ clear by the dispatcher saying “We don’t need you to do that”
It only causes problems.
TM was probably scared to death. How would you feel being followed around by some
citizen?

GZ had nothing to be afraid of anyway; he had his gun. He should have just left.

This was a senseless unnecessary killing.

 

[MaryT777]

I hear the couple is in fear of their life from the black panthers. Too scared to talk.

Yes one must protect oneself at all costs.

 

[GaryTaylor]

This was a senseless unnecessary killing.

Good reason why all these young adults of different race should stop running around with hoodies attempting to portray other than what they are, which is as you say, scared young adults in the world.

 

[LisaA]

Again, we don’t have TM’s perspective because he is dead. For example, it could very well be that TM began to bang GZ’s head after GZ went for his gun. And again, why would TM risk life in prison by banging GZ’s head into the ground unless he felt threatened?

Of all the far fetched theories, this one takes the proverbial cake. The ME report indicates Martin was on top of Zimmerman when shot. Martin had NO injuries but bruising on his hands again consistent with the Zimmerman rendition. Zimmerman pulled the gun and shot Martin after the fight escalated and after Martin punched him and he fell to the ground. Martin would not have had the time or strength to bang Zimmerman’s head against the ground with a bullet in his chest.

You truly seem to have no concept of how fast a bullet travels a few inches or how well someone fights after being shot.

And had Zimmerman tracked Martin down (although again there is exactly ZERO evidence supporting your story) and pulled his gun, Martin would have run away not charged in and initiated hand to hand combat.

Again NOTHING YOU CLAIM HAS ANY FACTS SUPPORTING YOUR STORY.

You seem to be as adverse to facts as to guns. Why?

Lisa

 

[MaryT777]

Again, we don’t have TM’s perspective because he is dead. For example, it could very well be that TM began to bang GZ’s head after GZ went for his gun. And again, why would TM risk life in prison by banging GZ’s head into the ground unless he felt threatened?

Exactly Robert. GZ could have went for his gun; he DID GO for his cell phone which could have scared the bejezeers out of TM wondering if he had a gun.

He did have one and killed him. If TM was concerned Z was armed he was dead on right.
Z was armed.

 

[lreyes5]

Worship God, not guns!
Condoning unnecessary violence is always a sin!!!

You are one of very, very few authentic Catholic Christians by heart on this forum…

 

[GaryTaylor]

Yes one must protect oneself at all costs.

One has the right to protect themselves. And yes unfortunately at all costs. Wasn’t that what TM was doing when he confronted GZ before the altercation occurred? He confronted GZ “then” the altercation occurred?

 

[LisaA]

Exactly Robert. GZ could have went for his gun; he DID GO for his cell phone which could have scared the bejezeers out of TM wondering if he had a gun.

He did have one and killed him. If TM was concerned Z was armed he was dead on right.
Z was armed.

You conveniently forget that had Zimmerman “gone for his gun” he would have been able to shoot Martin BEFORE having his nose broken, his head bashed and having Martin sitting on his chest.

Why do you ignore the facts? Even if you disbelieve Zimmerman’s testimony the ME demonstrated how Martin was leaning over Zimmerman, that his sweatshirt had fallen away from his chest. Had Martin been standing the sweatshirt would have had to levitate on its own rather than fall away due to gravity. You are wrong that Martin cannot testify after his death. MANY cases are solved through the autopsy. This autopsy spoke louder and more credibly than any living witness.

As to concern Zimmerman was going for his cell phone, he KNEW Zimmerman had a cell phone because he walked up to Zimmerman’s truck, saw him on the phone talking to the dispatcher. The recorded call AND Jeantel’s testimony both report this initial contact.

Again there is NO EVIDENCE for your speculation, suppositions, assumptions and fabrications. Why do you ignore facts for fantasy?

Lisa