Open Thread on Zimmerman Verdict

[Ridgerunner]

You are one of very, very few authentic Catholic Christians by heart on this forum…

With all due respect, you do not have any right to judge anyone’s soul, and certainly not that of people you do not know at all.

 

[MaryT777]

Of all the far fetched theories, this one takes the proverbial cake. The ME report indicates Martin was on top of Zimmerman when shot. Martin had NO injuries but bruising on his hands again consistent with the Zimmerman rendition. Zimmerman pulled the gun and shot Martin after the fight escalated and after Martin punched him and he fell to the ground. Martin would not have had the time or strength to bang Zimmerman’s head against the ground with a bullet in his chest.

You truly seem to have no concept of how fast a bullet travels a few inches or how well someone fights after being shot.

And had Zimmerman tracked Martin down (although again there is exactly ZERO evidence supporting your story) and pulled his gun, Martin would have run away not charged in and initiated hand to hand combat.

Again NOTHING YOU CLAIM HAS ANY FACTS SUPPORTING YOUR STORY.

You seem to be as adverse to facts as to guns. Why?

Lisa

The ME was not that impressive at all. TM had according to the Autopsy report a small abrasion on a ring finger that was NOT consistent with an offensive wound. This could have happened before or after the incident where GZ killed Martin.

Good Grief, we are talking about how much of lack therefor strength someone has
after being shot; how macabre.

There is no fact to support your claim TM would have run away.

 

[lreyes5]

With all due respect, you do not have any right to judge anyone’s soul, and certainly not that of people you do not know at all.

How do you know? Your statement is a judgement also…

 

[Ridgerunner]

Again there is NO EVIDENCE for your speculation, suppositions, assumptions and fabrications. Why do you ignore facts for fantasy?

Lisa

I can’t say it’s so for him, but for some, it’s pretty plain.

Because there is, in some, a temptation to assume one’s personal virtue if one takes the side of someone whom one perceives as “oppressed” or as “the underdog”. That’s why, for some, the minority person is always right, and the majority person is always wrong. It’s why the west is always wrong and the third world is always right. That’s why Israel is always wrong and Arabs are always right. That’s why criminals are “misunderstood” and police are “fascists”

It’s self-sanctification on the cheap.

 

[Robert_Sock]

You are one of very, very few authentic Catholic Christians by heart on this forum…

I was just suspended for making those statements in the body of my text! Go figure!

 

[didymus]

abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-juror-murder/story?id=19770659

George Zimmerman Juror Says He ‘Got Away With Murder’

“George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can’t get away from God. And at the end of the day, he’s going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with,” Juror B29 told ABC, according to an article posted on the network’s website Thursday. “(But) the law couldn’t prove it.”

“You can’t put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty,” she said. “But we had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence.”

from the interview

So much for the claim that juries are “Twelve (six in FL) people too dumb to get out of jury duty.”
It sounds like they put aside their own feelings and followed the law and the judge’s instructions.

Btw, juror B37, the first one to give an interview noticed in the transcript that the dispatcher actually encouraged GZ. to follow TM then backtracked “we don’t need you to do that”. Hardly an order to stay put.

 

[MaryT777]

Good reason why all these young adults of different race should stop running around with hoodies attempting to portray other than what they are, which is as you say, scared young adults in the world.

Who said anything on this thread about scared young adults in the world? I’d be scared being followed, and stalked no matter what I was wearing.

 

[SwizzleStick]

You are one of very, very few authentic Catholic Christians by heart on this forum…

Please review forum rules. Your post above breaks the rule of posting charitably and I have reported it. You cannot insult other members and you’ve managed to insult most Catholics members in one post…

 

[mtbender]

The police thought it did have a bearing for they asked him the question.

If you think police meet ask irrelevant questions you are sadly mistaken…

 

[mtbender]

Again, we don’t have TM’s perspective because he is dead. For example, it could very well be that TM began to bang GZ’s head after GZ went for his gun. And again, why would TM risk life in prison by banging GZ’s head into the ground unless he felt threatened?

Yet many here have problem assuming GZ would pull his gun if he wasn’t threatened…

 

[MaryT777]

from the interview

So much for the claim that juries are “Twelve (six in FL) people too dumb to get out of jury duty.”
It sounds like they put aside their own feelings and followed the law and the judge’s instructions.

Btw, juror B37, the first one to give an interview noticed in the transcript that the dispatcher actually encouraged GZ. to follow TM then backtracked “we don’t need you to do that”. Hardly an order to stay put.

No one on this thread has said anything about the jurors being “too dumb” to get out of jury duty. Yes they did follow the law but one juror said Z will answer to God.

B37 never said that.
The dispatcher said they can’t give an order to stay put; that’s why the say “WE don’t NEED you to do that.” They can’t give orders for they are then legally responsible for that order.

That was clearly stated in the trial.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Who said anything on this thread about scared young adults in the world? I’d be scared being followed, and stalked no matter what I was wearing.

You did, heres your words…

TM was probably scared to death.

But he was wearing a hoodie like so many other misguided youth projecting an image. And as you say probably scared to death?

 

[MaryT777]

You did, heres your words…

But he was wearing a hoodie like so many other misguided youth projecting an image. And as you say probably scared to death?

I do believe TM was scared; I believe most anyone would be spooked if they realized they were being followed hoodie or not.

I don’t believe everyone wearing a hoodie is a misguided youth projecting an image though.
That’s not my opinion.

 

[Julian_Bashir]

Because there is NO EVIDENCE SUPPORTING THEM.

You can make up “alternative scenarios” all you want. But when you cannot connect yours and the others’ completely illusory theories with ANY credible evidence, then the theory remains simply the product of someone’s imagination or preconceived notion.

As has been stated repeatedly although to no effect with several posters, although the evidence isn’t perfect (and anyone in law enforcement knows this NEVER happens anyway) what evidence that is available comports with Zimmerman’s rendition of the series of events. It does not comport with “another perspective” which seems to consist of Zimmerman is guilty because Martin is dead. Thus we must massage or ignore the evidence because it doesn’t support our theory.

Further as several posters have said repeatedly, again to no effect on those who simply cannot accept a guy with a gun may be telling the truth, Zimmerman’s interviews, testimony, depositions had few inconsistencies and none worth noting. In fact the investigating officer said he was amazed there were not more inconsistencies given the trauma of the night.

You might think that Zimmerman is some cold blooded trigger puller without feelings but I assure you that he was mentally and emotionally traumatized. That he was willing to immediately cooperate, did not demand an attorney, agreed to help stage a re-enactment, all indicates he was being truthful in his description of the series of events.

I don’t know if you have ever been the subject of a violent crime but I assure you that your brain freezes. My dearest friend was robbed at gunpoint as she tried to enter her hotel room in a “nice” area in Oklahoma City. Fortunately he took her purse and left the scene but when she was questioned by police she could barely talk and had blocked out many of the details regarding the robber. I looked out of my bedroom window having heard a sound outside and saw a man with a ski mask peering through the window. I froze, afraid to move. When the police questioned me, all I could remember were those eye holes in the ski mask. Couldn’t remember how tall, what color the mask was…virtually nothing. That Zimmerman could relate details that were later corroborated with evidence, is truly amazing and much as you and other pooh pooh his Neighborhood Watch duties, it’s clear he had the inner strength and ability to focus on helping the police with the investigation.

Again, it’s all about the gun. Guy with gun…guilty! Facts do not matter to someone who is strangled by ideology.

LIsa

Don’t you know how it works? One person makes up motivations and explanations without any proof, and the onus is on YOU to find evidence that their theory is wrong…

 

[lcburgundy]

Lesson not learned!

In your case, very, very true.

 

[Julian_Bashir]

Again, we don’t have TM’s perspective because he is dead. For example, it could very well be that TM began to bang GZ’s head after GZ went for his gun. And again, why would TM risk life in prison by banging GZ’s head into the ground unless he felt threatened?

I am losing track.

Do you believe GZ should have been convicted, or that the law needs to be changed? Your argument points to the former, but you claim the latter.

 

[Julian_Bashir]

You are one of very, very few authentic Catholic Christians by heart on this forum…

No how on earth would you know that? Unless God has started posting on here…

I am guessing authentic Catholic Christians don’t tell the majority of a message board of self-professed Catholic Christians they are not authentic Catholic Christians, but then again how would I know, since I am apparently not an authentic Catholic Christian.

 

[LisaA]

I do believe TM was scared; I believe most anyone would be spooked if they realized they were being followed hoodie or not.

I don’t believe everyone wearing a hoodie is a misguided youth projecting an image though.
That’s not my opinion.

Mary do you just ignore the facts or do you think if you just keep blowing past them, that we will eventually fall in line?

You keep saying Martin was being followed by Zimmerman. There is substantial testimony, from prosecution witnesses as well as the defense that Martin came up to Zimmerman who was in his truck, appeared to be pulling something out of his pocket (maybe a phone?) and then he fled. Initially Zimmerman who was still on the phone to the dispatcher it sounds as if he was trying to figure out where Martin had gone. Both Zimmerman talking to the dispatcher and Martin talking to Jeantel, provided statements that Martin had “gotten away.” Jeantel said he told her he was in his dad’s back yard. This was quite a distance from Zimmerman’s truck.

Why did Martin return and confront Zimmerman? He was NOT being followed, he was NOT cornered, he was not within Zimmerman’s sight.

Will you please address the facts for a change? See the map below. See step 4. Martin is far from Zimmerman. Why didn’t he go into the house? If he had he’d still be alive.

 

[St_Francis]

Are we supposed to believe now that people are just wasting their time getting restraining
orders? I believe that someone that assaulted a police officer could assault a girlfriend.
I believe someone following a “suspect” in NW could have followed a girlfriend thus necessitating a restraining order.

Zimmerman is never truthful why believe anything he says?

Do you have any proof that Zimmerman has lied about anything?

I don’t know anything about self defense? Yet he Aced the class.

In which the professor testified under oath that they used the proper name of the law, not the slang term “stand your ground law,” which is the question Hannity asked.

Yea right, he knew exactly what to say and what he could get away with.

Yes, he knew exactly how to lie so that his statements would match up with the statments of other witnesses–which he did not yet know–and after having been told there might be a video!!! Oh, he’s such a clever mind-reading guy, is he.

He did just that, He killed someone so there is no evidence against him.

There was plenty of evidence, the details of which he did not know, and none of which contradicted his statement.

When he heard there might be a video of the encounter, he said Thank God, and his statements did not change.

 

[LisaA]

Don’t you know how it works? One person makes up motivations and explanations without any proof, and the onus is on YOU to find evidence that their theory is wrong…

You’re right! Stupid me for continuing to post facts, evidence and testimony. No match for the results of a wild imagination combined with a firmly held ideology. Remember guy with gun bad! Guy without gun pounding head of other man good!

I get it.

Lisa