Opinion on the #Metoo movement

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This merely shows you either didn’t read the article, or misunderstood the questions the women at the conference talked about.

Here’s what the Cardinal said, of which I’m sure you’ll take wrong;
Washington Cardinal Donald W. Wuerl, the conference’s keynote speaker, spoke about the shift in values caused by the sexual revolution. He noted the widespread acceptance of secularism, the diminishing of and dismissal of Catholic teaching, especially with regard to sexuality, and the re-evaluation of the effects of sexual activity.

“Up until this sexual revolution, this cultural revolution, the so-called moral revolution … there was constant, consistent and accepted reference to morality, and such assurance of a moral reference,” Cardinal Wuerl said. “We knew there was a moral compass in life. Today that’s been greatly undermined, and it’s a result of the sexual revolution.”

The cardinal pointed out that “we live in this heavily secular world in which the reference point does not include a transcendent point,” he said.
Again, even if the sexual revolution helped to destroy clear moral lines, sexual harassment didn’t begin with its advent. Yes, there is clear victim blaming going on here. The claim being made is that women brought this on themselves by sparking the sexual revolution. That’s ludicrous.
 
I get the message they are trying to send but IMO it’s highly ineffective and causes the real message of #metoo to appear as somewhat of a joke.
Whoops! Had me there until that last part. Don’t conflate Slut Walks and the Me Too movement. They are too very different approaches to the same issue which is why you see some crossover but they are two different things.
 
Yes, I’m sure women were raped by American troops
Catholic priests have testified to the rape of very young German girls by American troops. And German women were found shot in the head in the American barracks. I don’t think it is right to blame German women and young girls for something that Hitler did.
 
It didn’t begin with the sexual revolution, the article never states that, but the level it’s at today, is the result of the breakdown of basic moral principles that no longer exist.

It’s not blaming the victims, but the culture which has set a mindset for promiscuity

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I am sure that there is far more to Ms Rose than her choice of clothing or lack thereof or (one presumes fully consensual ) extracurricular activity.
I think that she is speaking to a different audience. Her message isn’t our cup of tea and we are probably not her target audience.
 
One priest in Bavaria supposedly kept records about it.

But the records couldn’t be found by the author.

Jim
 
Too many innocent women and girls have been raped by American and other soldiers
This is a separate issue. Perhaps you should start a thread on that to so as not to side-track this thread by arguing what is true and what is false.
 
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Don’t conflate Slut Walks and the Me Too movement. They are too very different approaches to the same issue which is why you see some crossover but they are two different things.
I’m aware they are two different things. I was speaking about the crossover messages of the SW addressing #metoo and how ludicrous they look trying to argue for respect for their dignity in their underwear. That’s not conflating the two different messages. IOW, I think SW hurts the message of #metoo when they get involved in their chosen way to display their message.
 
This is a separate issue.
Not really. It is brutality against women by American men. Women and young girls being beaten, brutally raped at the point of a gun and shot dead by American soldiers. As has been pointed out by someone else, this has happened recently in Iraq. And I read of it happening in Japan recently, even though there is supposedly peace between US and Japan.
 
I think women see dressing sexually as a way to reclaim their sexuality.
Sometimes it is. There were some now infamous incidents n the 80s of high-profile men who were in illicit and exploitative relationships with women. Every one of those women went on to exploit themselves by appearing in Playboy or suggestive videos. I had a preview of this when a friend was raped and thought she had to have been evil for it to happen. Later, when I worked as a victim advocate, I learned that acting out that way is a comment reaction. It sexuality on their own terms not someone else’s.
 
Perhaps you should start a thread on that to so as not to side-track this thread by arguing what is true and what is false. This thread is about the MeToo movement. Has one of these women you state spoken up as part of this movement? Not just in WWII, but rape has pretty much happened every where throughout all time. It is called crime. Not counting lesser sentences, 98 men were executed in the ETO for rape or murder. Crime.
 
I think that she is speaking to a different audience. Her message isn’t our cup of tea and we are probably not her target audience.
What does that have to do with wondering if and how she perceives her own dignity in her chosen profession while at the same time speaking out about having others respect her dignity? I understand from a Catholic POV how because our dignity is given us by God that we are to act in accordance with that AND others are to treat us accordingly as well. The root of our dignity comes from God. If you don’t have that, it’s interesting to me to see the secular side of things try to cobble together concepts like these while living in an immoral way. (even if they don’t think it’s immoral)
 
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Catholic priests have testified to the rape of very young German girls by American troops. And German women were found shot in the head in the American barracks. I don’t think it is right to blame German women and young girls for something that Hitler did.
Yep, as I said there are twisted people in the military now.

But 190K?

No. I find that highly unlikely, as the source I provided said.
Not really. It is brutality against women by American men. Women and young girls being beaten, brutally raped at the point of a gun and shot dead by American soldiers. As has been pointed out by someone else, this has happened recently in Iraq. And I read of it happening in Japan recently, even though there is supposedly peace between US and Japan.
Separate issue. Sick tickets are everywhere. Rape happens inside the US military as well.

That has nothing to do with the thread.
 
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That has nothing to do with the thread.
If so, why did you bring up the question of the rape of an Iraqi girl by an American soldier? post 313?
Harvey Weinstein has frequently been mentioned as a target of the metoo movement. And what is he accused of except abusing and coercing women. American soldiers have been doing the same on foreign soil, and in many cases, little is done to prevent it.
 
If so, why did you bring up the question of the rape of an Iraqi girl by an American soldier? post 313?
Uh, that was to show RAPE CULTURE BELIEFS. That just happened to be in the article. Check the post. I didn’t “bring up” the subject. I brought up the article, not what it happened to mention.

Nothing to do with military rape.
 
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Sure they do. And it’s pushed aside because they’re men.
True. And the one’s most likely to dismiss or minimize it are other men, and those most likely to acknowledge that it’s wrong are feminists and others on board with #MeToo. It’s easy to tell those for whom the idea that harassment/assault against men actually happen is a new concept because they mention #MeToo. I’m not saying that MeToo was the turning point but is a reference point. You can’t almost hear the unspoken, “Right?”, looking for validation that they do get it. It’s hopeful.
What was the incident where Katy Perry grabbed that young man and kissed him, and he was basically told via social media that ‘it’s Katy Perry - be a man about it’?
And I had that in mind when I typed that above. I saw both sides on social media and anyone who suggested he needed to man up was soundly countered by multiple people. I was disheartened to read that he was “okay” with it. He doesn’t get that saying that suggests to others that it was okay for her to do that. He’s probably thinking about just “the kiss” but not the whole of the incident which includes his lack of consent, her status, and the pressure from being in the spotlight which augments all of the above.
Somehow I doubt that’s an isolated incident. Women objectify men all the time (we’ve all heard it) and think that just because they want the guy he should just go with it because that’s what a real man is supposed to do.
Right. And if he doesn’t there must be something wrong with him.
But it’s not discussed because, well, they’re men.
Yes. And I will reiterate what I said above. Men are less likely to believe or have empathy for another man; I’ve seen it on these forums from some surprising posters. These are a good examples of toxic masculinity. There are efforts to raise awareness and provide support but topics like abuse, harassment, assault, and rape make people uncomfortable. It takes courage to acknowledge that these things are reality and that one has lived it. Raising awareness and support is an ongoing challenge when the group you want to help is resistant to it.
 
I’ve been aware of it for some time and have read up on it to understand it’s mission but it’s not an approach that resonates with me. I don’t think we are who they are trying to reach. And do pray for them.
 
I will pray for your friend. He sounds a lot like a friend of my family’s.
 
No it wasn’t. Women are prime targets during war. They are used as “comfort” women or raped as a method of genocide or ethnic cleansing and are shunned within their own families and communities as a result. A friend of my mom’s was from Germany and she relayed a story of an attempted rape before getting out in indicated that she wasn’t the only one. It may have “only” been an attempt but it haunted her.

(Oops. 😳 I just noticed the last several posts are mine. Duty calls anyway. Back later.)
 
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Nothing to do with military rape.
It is an American soldier raping and killing a young Iraqi girl. So, that is relevant to the metoo movement.
Similarly, it was wrong for American soldiers to brutally beat and rape and kill young German girls who had nothing to do with the decisions made by Hitler.
What is the metoo movement except a movement designed to demonstrate the widespread prevalence of sexual assault, coercion and harassment of women.? One situation where this sexual assault, coercion and harassment of women has occurred is by the American soldiers in foreign countries. And the Americans are trying to silence this discussion because it is too embarassing. This is what happened in the Nuremberg trials where Americans and the allies accused the Germans of doing things that they themselves were guilty of . It was not a trial but an act of revenge. Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court Harlan Fiske Stone said that the Nuremberg trials were a fraud
 
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