Opinion on the #Metoo movement

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KyPerson said:
I think it’s important, but I think there are joyless scolds who interpret a harmless compliment as equivalent to rape. There are those who think that saying something as innocuous as “that’s an attractive dress you are wearing” is the same thing as catcalling on the street.
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I agree. What doesn’t need to happen is for this to become the modern equivalent of McCarthyism.

I’m glad that the alleged charges against Morgan Freeman were rapidly shot down, because I think that will help to curb that from happening. (Or they were as far as I’m aware.)
 
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I tell you that Raikou has come!
 
We already had a really long and disgusting thread about this topic :confused:
 
From my recent understanding, nothing came about in the Morgan Freeman case, as many women came out to support him.

Same is true for Tom Brokaw.

I recall when Bob Barker former host of the Price is Right was accused by a former model on the show. That fell apart when other employees came to his defense.

Jim
 
Yeah I struggled more with the Tom Brokaw thing than I did Matt Lauer for some reason.

I’m waiting for them to start accusing dead people like Peter Jennings.

I remember the Bob Barker incident as well. That got jumped on super quick.

It’s the crying wolf that will do infinite harm, and to everyone: women and men alike. I’m glad to see that there’s a good response to empty accusations.
 
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Perhaps it is better to compliment anyone on their appearance unless they are close friend. A man telling me I look hot in a dress feels like they are hitting on me. I assume they’re attracted to me. May not be the case though.
 
It feels more like a mob hysteria to me than anything else. I’m sure there are bad people being netted and disgraced, probably most of the accused are bad people and deserving of their fate, but there are also a few where their lives and public personae are whisked away and airbrushed out of history without their having an opportunity to tell their side of the story, or for us, the public, to even hear the charges made against them. I’m thinking of two radio hosts here on local public radio in the New York area, as well as Garrison Keillor. There needs to be some due process.
 
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I guess. It’s the same as women originally not bring believed. Ideally people should try to be neutral and open minded about such things. Not quick to judge. It’s common for women’s claims of sexual misconduct to be quickly dismissed or thought of as an overreaction.
 
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I guess. It’s the same as women originally not bring believed. Ideally people should try to be neutral and open minded about such things. Not quick to judge. It’s common for women’s claims of sexual misconduct to be quickly dismissed or thought of as an overreaction.
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I tend to believe them, but how are we to judge whether an employer is making a just punishment proportionate to the crime if we don’t even hear the details of the allegation? It’s like the whole thing is being decided by a star chamber.

In the case of one of the WNYC radio hosts I mentioned above, it came out after he had been disappeared by WNYC that one of the women who complained about Leonard Lopate creating an abusive environment was apparently made uncomfortable by him telling an anecdote about how the native Indian word for avocado reflected the fact that it resembled a testicle. That’s doesn’t amount to sexual harassment, in my opinion - or (unsurprisingly) in Leonard Lopate’s!
 
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Ironically, this showed up in Facebook:
Conference asks: Is the Sexual Revolution to blame for #MeToo?

Mary Rice Hasson, director of the Catholic Women’s Forum and fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, said at a May 31 conference that “it’s no secret that for many months the #MeToo movement has sparked widespread outrage over sexual harassment and a culture that condoned and excused it.”

She made her remarks at the “#MeToo Moment: Second Thoughts on the Sexual Revolution” conference sponsored by the Catholic Women’s Forum and the Notre Dame Center for Ethics and Culture. The event’s co-sponsors were the Catholic Information Center, the Ethics and Public Policy Center and the Archdiocese of Washington’s Department of Life Issues.

The event brought together panels of experts from the fields of education, faith, law, medicine and the social sciences. Drawing on the papal encyclical “Humanae Vitae” and on past and current events, panelists offered their “second thoughts” on the consequences of the sexual revolution as manifested in #MeToo movement.

Conference asks: Is the Sexual Revolution to blame for #MeToo? | America Magazine
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Thank you, I was hoping that the accusations against Morgan Freeman would get shot down. He is one of the few Hollywood types you can call wise.
 
That sort of thing went on WELL before the 1960s Sexual Revolution. If anything, it was likely in some ways worse.
 
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I don’t know, but it was much different.

As I recall, before the 60’s, even swearing was a no-no in front of women.
Telling a dirty joke while in female company ? Never !

If a boy wanted to have sex with a girl, in most cases back then, he had to marry her. GIrls said no more often than not back then. The pill changed that.

Even magazines like Playboy, the only thing allowed to show were women’s breast and buttocks. Groin area would bring the law down.

Maybe I grew up in a more sterile environment, I don’t know ?

At the same time, there were ridiculous stigmas for young girls who got pregnant out of wedlock or even raped.

Did sexual harassment take place ? I’m sure it did, but nothing compared to after the 60’s sexual revolution.

Jim
 
Pup7 said:
I’m glad to see that there’s a good response to empty accusations.
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I’m not sure that the Morgan Freeman accusations were proven empty, per se. They were just not to the same degree as Weinstein and Cosby.
 
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I don’t know, but it was much different.

As I recall, before the 60’s, even swearing was a no-no in front of women.
Telling a dirty joke while in female company ? Never !

If a boy wanted to have sex with a girl, in most cases back then, he had to marry her. GIrls said no more often than not back then. The pill changed that.

Even magazines like Playboy, the only thing allowed to show were women’s breast and buttocks. Groin area would bring the law down.

Maybe I grew up in a more sterile environment, I don’t know ?

At the same time, there were ridiculous stigmas for young girls who got pregnant out of wedlock or even raped.

Did sexual harassment take place ? I’m sure it did, but nothing compared to after the 60’s sexual revolution.

Jim
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You do realize that there were no laws against sexual harassment in the workplace in the 1950s, there were few employment laws in general (and most protected the employer not the employee), there were basically no laws that protected women in the workplace until the 1980s.

The image of the secretary as the little woman was commonplace.

Watch “Mad Men”. That’s accurate.

I have a feeling it was far, far worse back then because literally women had ZERO voice and were expected to take it.
 
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Oh I realize there were no sexual harassment laws back then.

But I do believe men knew their limits of what they could do or say to a woman, more than they did over the past 40-50 years…

Also, the workplace was mostly men anyway, so sexual harassment was probably less.

Heck, I watched the change in my profession as women came into our group.

A guy whom the women considered a hunk, could get away with just about anything.

The short dumpy nerd was sure to be called into HR at some point, because a female coworker heard him say something offensive.

Jim
 
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I disagree completely. It wasn’t the geeks. It was many, many men.

“Mad Men” stands, and it’s accurate.

Creeps have existed since the beginning of time. This has always been around. Men who wouldn’t do it back then wouldn’t do it now either. That isn’t the problem.
 
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