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It depends on how one defines discrimination. It is not always wrong. We need to discriminate based on one’s actions and one’s words. Do you intentionally associate with neo nazis? What about those who endorse homosexual acts as normal?

More nonsense. It is a scandal to embrace error as virtue and lead others into error.

That was your mistake, why lead others to the same error?

Deeply hurt? Are you more concerned with offending Christ or offending a sinner who can’t see the truth?

You are way off base. The truth can be known by all men. Keeping the moral law is a virtue. Christ preached against hypocrisy. The Pharisees were hypocrites. They claimed to be holy, but were not. This is like those homosexualists who claim to be in union with Christ, yet lead lives of perversion and publicly invite others to sin as well.

Christ of the Pahrisees to do EXACTLY as they tell you to do, but do not act as they do.

Garbage. You sound like an anti Catholic. Following the teachings of the Church will lead to holiness. Accepting error as truth can lead to perdition.
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Read this article to better understand how gays and lesbians have experienced discrimination and intolerance at the hands of certain “pious” and “morally orthodox” Catholics
bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/top/features/documents/03702314.asp
 
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jzepi:
I agree we must be merciful. I think we disagree on how to be merciful. I think you might be falling into the mistake of assuming that if I point out somebody else’s grave sin, that I think I am superior to that person. The truth is, I would (and often have) refrained from pointing out such sin to homosexuals who I do not think would receive it or understand what I meant. In such cases I am very strict with myself that I must pray for them with a heart filled with charity and not self-righteousness. This is not because I am so smart and I am so holy, but because I have been TAUGHT to do this and I have received the GRACE to actually do it. Everybody can do it. But nobody will do it if they do not want to do it, and nobody will want to do it if they do not think it is the right thing to do.

It is very difficult and tragic when I meet Catholics who are homosexually active (yes I do actually know some well) yet refuse to believe there is any contradiction with their Faith. Only God knows what their true fate will be. But I think anybody who has knowledge of and faith in the Catholic Church has got to admit that some people are on very very thin ice. That is not a value judgement about them as people. It is a tragedy of the choices they have made, and most often that is a consequence of the things they have been taught – whether by pop culture or by a well-meaning but dreadfully misinformed Catholic religion teacher.
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VERY nicely, humbly put jzepi! How far we’ve come since you were pointing out to me the roadmap to hell earlier in the post. Perhaps there is some common ground to be found among the wide range of approaches held by faithful Catholics after all. Peace & joy of Christmas to you!
 
4 marks:
Read this article to better understand how gays and lesbians have experienced discrimination and intolerance at the hands of certain “pious” and “morally orthodox” Catholics
bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/top/features/documents/03702314.asp
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What is your point? That homosexualist paper only points out that the Church is at war with satan. Sodomy is not a “right”. Same sex people have no authority to “marry”. Discrimination is word used as a cudgel many times by those who worship political correctness in place of God.

We live in troubled times. Souls are at stake. Make no mistake, this is an eternal war. We all must be vigilant.
 
Island Oak:
Perhaps that’s where we agree to end. I don’t think anyone who’s posted would say you must attend or condemn you for not attending on the basis of a sincere belief that church teaching on the lifestyle at issue compels you to stay home. On the other hand I think it is possible to attend such an event without breaching moral beliefs or being accused of buying into or endorsing the lifestyle of the hosts.
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I do not fully agree with you. IMO, there is no way to go to such a party as if one were going to a morally neutral affair with no consequences to the public understanding. It is a scandal. If one is going to evangelize and speak the truth in love, then fine. If one is going as if the “couple” had equal standing like a heterosexual couple, then I think that is wrong and a good example of a poorly formed conscience.
 
Island Oak:
But do you suppose the process of sharing a glass of wine, breaking bread and sharing conversation lent itself to subtly introducing the sinners to Jesus’ heart and his message? Do you further suppose that our ability to influence those around us is much easier if first we meet in friendship and in an unthreatning environment? Think of your own life. Do you welcome the advice, much less criticism or preaching of those you don’t even know and who don’t know you?
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As I have said before, if one is going to spread the truth, then go. I doubt if that was the intention of many who posted here. Some seem to want to “ok” the couple as morally licit. It really strikes me as offensive that some can be so influenced by culture, yet claim to be Catholic. Are we part of the mystical body of Christ concerned for each other’s salvation, or are we PC people who have rejected the hard truths and have itchy ears?
 
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What is your point? That homosexualist paper only points out that the Church is at war with satan.
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That’s great. Gays and Lesbians are “satan” and we “the Church” are at “war” with them.

Listen, I have a hostage over in the back room in a cage who is desperately waiting for someone to carve his head off with a steak knife. Any takers? :cool:
 
debbie m.:
What? You really think this article shows that Catholics are unloving to homosexuals? I really think you are in need of some Christian evangelizing.
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If mean spirited-ness toward those who are different than you is the fruit of such Christian evangelization, how soon can I become a Buddhist?
 
4 marks:
That’s great. Gays and Lesbians are “satan” and we “the Church” are at “war” with them. :cool:
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Your getting closer, but you still haven’t gotten it right just yet (don’t get discouraged, keep trying). “Gays” and “Lesbians” (those activiely living the sin of the homosexual lifestyle) are in Satan’s hand (they are not Satan); and the Church is at war with Satan; and the battle is for the eternal destiny of souls. I hope that this helps. 👍
 
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If mean spirited-ness toward those who are different than you is the fruit of such Christian evangelization, how soon can I become a Buddhist?
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Hey, don’t get me wrong here. I love you and respect you because God, Our Father, created you. 🙂 I just don’t think you’ve bought into being a Christian. I’m sorry if the truth hurts a little. Perhaps you are still searching…I don’t know.

God bless,
Debbie
 
debbie m.:
Hey, don’t get me wrong here. I love you and respect you because God, Our Father, created you. 🙂 I just don’t think you’ve bought into being a Christian. I’m sorry if the truth hurts a little. Perhaps you are still searching…I don’t know.

God bless,
Debbie
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You are wrong. I became a Christian at the age of one month when I was baptized and welcomed into the Catholic Church. I also accepted Jesus into my life as Lord and Savior at the age of 20. I may not spend hours in front of the T.V. hanging on to every word that eminates from the mouth of Mother Angelica while clutching a set of rosary beads in one hand and a book of novenas in the other. I do, however, actively participate in the life of my local parish community. I go forth and live the gospel message to love others unconditionally, however imperfectly.

Please be sure to remember the words of Our Blessed Savior, “Judge not lest ye be judged.” Leave the little superior dances for the Church Lady.
 
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felra:
Your getting closer, but you still haven’t gotten it right just yet (don’t get discouraged, keep trying). “Gays” and “Lesbians” (those activiely living the sin of the homosexual lifestyle) are in Satan’s hand (they are not Satan); and the Church is at war with Satan; and the battle is for the eternal destiny of souls. I hope that this helps. 👍
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Gays and Lesbians, and Iraqis and Protestants and Michael Moore and Voice Of The Faithful and Archbishop Flynn and Blue State people like me are all children of God, our brothers and our sisters.
 
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felra:
The ultimate goal is not to love others UNCONDITIONALLY; but to unconditionally love the sinner so as to lead them to the Truth that is Jesus Christ, the Truth of the Gospel, into a saving relationship with the Savior. .
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I take it that you believe that because they are gay they cannot possibly have a saving relationship with Jesus. I used to believe that because Catholics prayed to Mary and the Saints and worshipped a wafer and some wine that they could not possibly be saved either.

When your time comes, may Saints Matthew Shepard, Harvey Milk, and Father John Geoghan accompany Saint Peter to greet you at the pearly gates.
 
4 marks:
That’s great. Gays and Lesbians are “satan” and we “the Church” are at “war” with them.

Listen, I have a hostage over in the back room in a cage who is desperately waiting for someone to carve his head off with a steak knife. Any takers? :cool:
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I can’t read souls, but I can read words and actions. If you think committing sodomy is not a great evil can lead to perdition, your are blind and have a conscience that is dulled to the truth.
 
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felra:
Here is an article that explains where the true dignity of a person resides and what true compassion is for those struggling or caught or given over to a disordered homosexual desire: Homosexuality

God Bless.
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Very good. He can go to courage.com and see how authentic Catholics deal with SSAD.
 
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If mean spirited-ness toward those who are different than you is the fruit of such Christian evangelization, how soon can I become a Buddhist?
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What a pagan sensibility you have. Truth is hate to those who hate the truth. Kumbaya!
 
4 marks:
I take it that you believe that because they are gay they cannot possibly have a saving relationship with Jesus. I used to believe that because Catholics prayed to Mary and the Saints and worshipped a wafer and some wine that they could not possibly be saved either.

When your time comes, may Saints Matthew Shepard, Harvey Milk, and Father John Geoghan accompany Saint Peter to greet you at the pearly gates.
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Those with SSAD can have a relationship with Christ, but they must turm from the grave sin of sodomy and homosexual conduct. Those names are not canonized saints, aside from Peter, we do not know where their souls have gone, yet.
 
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