Order Dismisses a Priest Trying to Ordain Women

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Excommunication is not enough.
This man is as worldly as they come,
and his open disobedience to church teaching and authority,
has been going on for years and years and years.

It is well-past high time that this man was Defrocked, removed entirely
from the Priesthood.

I am all for Mercy, even for the worst sinners and criminals,
but this man is a PRIEST. He studied truth and theology for over a dozen years
in depth. If anyone KNOWS BETTER, he surely does. Yet he continues,
the same old disobedient, sacrilegious nonsense, week after week, month after month,
year after year.

And that ridiculous, stupid chant:
"What do we want? Women priests!
“When do we want them? NOW!!”
Good lord, a Catholic PRIEST chanting vapid stupidity like that.
He sounds like a 1960’s hippie, not like a man of the cloth.

This is why so many people are willing to believe the worst about the Bishops
regarding the sex-abuse crisis, because they have been tolerating priests like THIS ONE for decades, priests who openly disobey the church and are never, ever, ever disciplined or removed. He finally got some discipline from his superiors, but only after fomenting
dissent in the Church for decades. Good grief, the former Bishop of Cape Town, South Africa was active on a gay website, Saint Sebastian’s Angels, for years and years while remaining actively the Bishop of the Diocese. How utterly apostate.
Let’s all, millions of us, say at least one Hail Mary a day for our Diocesan Bishop(s), that they start disciplining openly disobedient, heterodox and/or heretical priests.
 
huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/roy-bourgeois-detained-vatican_n_1015645.html

Why does the Vatican allow the continuance of dissenting clergy? I’m beginning an intensive study of the claims of the Orthodox Church now because it appears this problem doesn’t exist there. This lack of dissent eludes to the possibility that there is in fact a problem with the way the Catholic Church is setup and the way it handles things.

I would say that it seems that 1 in 2 clergy seem to be in support of women ordinations to the priesthood. Does anyone know if this Bourgeois has been excommunicated yet?
 
I think you are behind the times, the disciplinary actions taken on behalf of this priest have been discussed at great length here at the time they occurred.
 
puzzleannie said:
I think you are behind the times, the disciplinary actions taken on behalf of this priest have been discussed at great length here at the time they occurred.
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I am behind the topics, not the times. I obtained this link from Deacon’s Bench this afternoon. But I do concede that I avoid information dealing with heresy because it gets me into trouble with too many Catholics - some of which are my own dissenting Catholic family, parisioners and friends.
 
Well, it seems that this story is still live/current and needs to be followed and discussed.
 
Nec5 said:
Well, it seems that this story is still live/current and needs to be followed and discussed.
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Should we relink to “old” or original discussion here. It seems logical to give a link to it at least.

My concerns here are during my discernment to the diaconate I’m discovering a major pool of dissenting deacons and priests, not to mention laity. If becoming a deacon requires me to passively accept the idea of women to the ordained ministry, similar to my seminary experience to many seemingly promoting homosexuality among laity as well as priests, I’m inclined to look deeper into Orthodoxy. My issue leads me to discern more deeply some of the dogmas that I decided to accept until I could discern more thoroughly their legitimacy with spiritual direction. Since I don’t feel safe anymore with Catholic clergy, I may consider entering this discernment with Orthodox clergy so that I can evaluate if my reasoning is flawed, just as they helped me realize my issues with celibacy was in the initial days of my conversion or acceptance of my father’s faith, Catholicism.

This is NOT a plea for help in that arena, I merely am interested in conversing about this movement.
 
PbloPicasso said:
huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/roy-bourgeois-detained-vatican_n_1015645.html

Why does the Vatican allow the continuance of dissenting clergy? I’m beginning an intensive study of the claims of the Orthodox Church now because it appears this problem doesn’t exist there. This lack of dissent eludes to the possibility that there is in fact a problem with the way the Catholic Church is setup and the way it handles things.

I would say that it seems that 1 in 2 clergy seem to be in support of women ordinations to the priesthood. Does anyone know if this Bourgeois has been excommunicated yet?
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I could care less if 99% of teh 'clergy" supported women ordination. The Pope has spoken ex cathedra on the issue. It is settled.
 
Hey, Fr. Roy: there’s a perfectly swell Episcopal church right down the street that will be happy to have you. Don’t let the door hit you. See ya bye.
 
PbloPicasso said:
huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/roy-bourgeois-detained-vatican_n_1015645.html

Why does the Vatican allow the continuance of dissenting clergy? I’m beginning an intensive study of the claims of the Orthodox Church now because it appears this problem doesn’t exist there. This lack of dissent eludes to the possibility that there is in fact a problem with the way the Catholic Church is setup and the way it handles things.

I would say that it seems that 1 in 2 clergy seem to be in support of women ordinations to the priesthood. Does anyone know if this Bourgeois has been excommunicated yet?
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The Church is currently, as in right now, in a state of very encouraging reform. Does a Church have to reform itself at our personally preferred pace for it to be true, or is God in charge - seeing all things and their interrelationships?

Dissent is a disease, like an infection. When we have an infection, does it not continue and spread until we recognize it, see the doctor; are written a prescription, fill that prescription, take the medicine and wait for its effect?

The medicine is being applied. We are called to trust and to be patient.
 
PbloPicasso said:
I would say that it seems that 1 in 2 clergy seem to be in support of women ordinations to the priesthood.
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Where do you get that from? That has not been my experience whatsoever. What a bizarre statement…
 
domandcarols said:
Where do you get that from? That has not been my experience whatsoever. What a bizarre statement…
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Well, I don’t mean to mislead, I’m merely giving an estimate based on my perception. For me, not stating clearly that women can’t become ordained is equivalent to remaining open to it. I don’t care what “bazaar” Catholics thing of my perception. It’s served me well so far. I’ve seen too many people behind the curtain supporting things that have no place in the Church. Being a seminarian gives you a unique view of what’s taking place among the ranks.
 
PbloPicasso said:
Well, I don’t mean to mislead, I’m merely giving an estimate based on my perception. For me, not stating clearly that women can’t become ordained is equivalent to remaining open to it. I don’t care what “bazaar” Catholics thing of my perception. It’s served me well so far. I’ve seen too many people behind the curtain supporting things that have no place in the Church. Being a seminarian gives you a unique view of what’s taking place among the ranks.
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I don’t know where you are a semanarian, but I am sure that if the Archbishops of semanaries in the Dioceses of Miami, New York, or Philadelphia,found out this was being favored by clergy in those institutions, there would be Hell to pay-no pun intended.
 
George_Stegmeir said:
I don’t know where you are a semanarian, but I am sure that if the Archbishops of semanaries in the Dioceses of Miami, New York, or Philadelphia,found out this was being favored by clergy in those institutions, there would be Hell to pay-no pun intended.
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Were… that’s been 32 years ago. Things have been clearing up on the matter of homsexuality in the priesthood. However, It did exist and still exists among some. Further, I’ve heard too many priests and deacons in recent years make positive comments, or non-rejection language as if it needs to be reserached more thoroughly and as if the Church hasn’t really spoken ex-cathedra on the matter. One priest said that won’t happen for at least a hundred years, implying that it might change. Others try to convince others that the topic of women deacons (ordained) is not a closed book. I’ve heard it quite a bit… about half so far. If not half, then a whole bunch of people. It seems to match statistics. I’ll have to dig them back up from another thread.
 
PbloPicasso said:
Were… that’s been 32 years ago. Things have been clearing up on the matter of homsexuality in the priesthood. However, It did exist and still exists among some. Further, I’ve heard too many priests and deacons in recent years make positive comments, or non-rejection language as if it needs to be reserached more thoroughly and as if the Church hasn’t really spoken ex-cathedra on the matter. One priest said that won’t happen for at least a hundred years, implying that it might change. Others try to convince others that the topic of women deacons (ordained) is not a closed book. I’ve heard it quite a bit… about half so far. If not half, then a whole bunch of people. It seems to match statistics. I’ll have to dig them back up from another thread.
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There are a number of factors to keep in perspective…
  • At one point during the early Middle Ages, countless clergy, perhaps the majority, subscribed to the Arian heresy… yet the Church has survived by the grace of Christ.
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  • Of the original 12 priests, Peter, their prince, denied the Lord three times, Judas betrayed the Lord outright, and all the others, save John, fled like cowards when Our Lord was arrested.
  • The high priesthood of the Old Testament, which serves to prefigure the Catholic priesthood, and was without a doubt of divine institution, was riddled with corruption and “wolves in sheep’s clothing”…heck, the High Priest Caiaphas condemned GOD INCARNATE to death, yet Scripture tells us that he spoke “by the Holy Spirit” by virtue of his office.
  • Orthodoxy has had its own share of corruption…dig a little deeper and you may be unpleasantly surprised - the validity of Catholicism and Orthodoxy’s claims should not be dependent upon the holiness or orthodoxy of individual priests/deacons - Christ promised that the Church itself would not fall - but individual members, from Judas down to the present certainly will.
  • Corruption, immorality and heresy has been far more rampant among the clergy in times past…look at the state of the clergy during the Gregorian reforms of the Middle Ages for example…yet the Church has somehow managed to survive down to the present, faithfully handing down the deposit of faith entrusted once to the apostles without blemish - regardless of what certain individual priests may teach.
  • Primacy was given to Peter and his successors for this very reason - to ensure that the unity and orthodoxy of the Church would be preserved during troubled times when many among the clergy choose to exercise their freewill and rebel against the faith of the Apostles.
  • Finally, based upon your comments and experience, I think that you may be in a particularly bad diocese (in terms of these sorts of problems)…it seems to me that the problems the Church experienced during the decades following Vatican II are less prevalent than they once were, and I certainly find that most young priests are very holy and orthodox…at my cathedral traditional Catholic morality is boldly proclaimed from the pulpit and traditional liturgical practices and reverence encouraged (its one of the few cathedrals in North America where receiving Our Lord
    kneeling at the altar rail is quite normal…)
 
Very good post. I agree. ANd I have dug beyond the surface. I’ve discovered the same problems. The clergy are the leaders of the Church and therefore have been at the helm of heresies in times past. That makes perfect sense and something to remember.

It is by the grace of God that I returned. It was discovering the ancient orthodox Christians, many of whom are claimed by the Orthodox Christians as being Eastern that led me back to believing in the Creed. I was asking many questions that seem obvious to some. But for me, not having a a Majesterial teacher made me my own pope, which I did not like. That is why I submit humbly now. My huge Protestant family led me away from Catholicism my entire life and once severed it. …little girl asking me to show her a spider. later
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There are a number of factors to keep in perspective…
  • At one point during the early Middle Ages, countless clergy, perhaps the majority, subscribed to the Arian heresy… yet the Church has survived by the grace of Christ.[/LIST
    ]
  • Of the original 12 priests, Peter, their prince, denied the Lord three times, Judas betrayed the Lord outright, and all the others, save John, fled like cowards when Our Lord was arrested.
  • The high priesthood of the Old Testament, which serves to prefigure the Catholic priesthood, and was without a doubt of divine institution, was riddled with corruption and “wolves in sheep’s clothing”…heck, the High Priest Caiaphas condemned GOD INCARNATE to death, yet Scripture tells us that he spoke “by the Holy Spirit” by virtue of his office.
  • Orthodoxy has had its own share of corruption…dig a little deeper and you may be unpleasantly surprised - the validity of Catholicism and Orthodoxy’s claims should not be dependent upon the holiness or orthodoxy of individual priests/deacons - Christ promised that the Church itself would not fall - but individual members, from Judas down to the present certainly will.
  • Corruption, immorality and heresy has been far more rampant among the clergy in times past…look at the state of the clergy during the Gregorian reforms of the Middle Ages for example…yet the Church has somehow managed to survive down to the present, faithfully handing down the deposit of faith entrusted once to the apostles without blemish - regardless of what certain individual priests may teach.
  • Primacy was given to Peter and his successors for this very reason - to ensure that the unity and orthodoxy of the Church would be preserved during troubled times when many among the clergy choose to exercise their freewill and rebel against the faith of the Apostles.
  • Finally, based upon your comments and experience, I think that you may be in a particularly bad diocese (in terms of these sorts of problems)…it seems to me that the problems the Church experienced during the decades following Vatican II are less prevalent than they once were, and I certainly find that most young priests are very holy and orthodox…at my cathedral traditional Catholic morality is boldly proclaimed from the pulpit and traditional liturgical practices and reverence encouraged (its one of the few cathedrals in North America where receiving Our Lord
    kneeling at the altar rail is quite normal…)
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It was right that he was dismissed. I hope and pray that he repents of and confesses his dissent and that he comes back to full communion with the Church.
 
barb_finnegan said:
Well, it’s about time, Maryknoll! :mad:

Should have done this before it got out of hand…

‘Father’ Roy, why don’t you just go over to the Episcopals? They got everything you want-priestesses, even bishopesses! Go and take your ‘priestess wanna-bes’ there-they’ll have lots of places vacated by those Episcopalians who are fleeing to the Anglican Ordinariate.

[yeah, I know this sounds nasty-but I’m in kind of a crabby mode today-too bad]
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