Oregon governor tells residents to call cops on people violating COVID restrictions

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So lets talk science.

If I do not have COVID, and I invite family members to Thanksgiving who do not have COVID, explain the science of how that is a risk to spread COVID.
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Not a problem –
What if you have a negative test, but then are unknowingly exposed before Thanksgiving?
What if one of the invitees “forgets” to mention that they went to a crowded store, or didn’t wear a mask, sometime this week?

I have a co-worker who had a negative test on Saturday, and by Monday had full-blown symptoms. What if that test had been this Wednesday, and she had a big Thanksgiving dinner the next day?

I love turkey and mashed potatoes, but I love my family more.
 
puer.dei said:
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KMC:
So lets talk science.

If I do not have COVID, and I invite family members to Thanksgiving who do not have COVID, explain the science of how that is a risk to spread COVID.
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Not a problem –
What if you have a negative test, but then are unknowingly exposed before Thanksgiving?
What if one of the invitees “forgets” to mention that they went to a crowded store, or didn’t wear a mask, sometime this week?

I have a co-worker who had a negative test on Saturday, and by Monday had full-blown symptoms. What if that test had been this Wednesday, and she had a big Thanksgiving dinner the next day?
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But you’re changing my premise. I don’t have COVID and I don’t engage in “risky” behavior. If I have family members in the same boat, then risk is quite low to having them over for dinner.

If you want me to go down your line of thinking…don’t drive anywhere, because you might get in a car accident. Nothing is worth the risk of your life to drive anywhere.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Yes, it is. (If “family” consists of 20 relatives you only see once a year.)
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I’m not sure how that’s any of yours, anyone else’s, and particularly the governments business.
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Some miscreants may have said the same thing about turning off their lights during the London Blitz.
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Except in the year 2020, your analogy would be more accurately described as the government requiring everybody to turn off their lights, except of course for a whole variety of government officials who have important parties, celebrations, and hair-stylings to attend to. They need lights…they are important
 
KMC said:
government requiring everybody to turn off their lights, except of course for a whole variety of government officials
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I think California does that now with their rolling blackouts caused by incredibly terrible energy policies.
 
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So, now we are all supposed to become tattlers. Best to mind one’s own business and monitor one’s own behavior than worry about what others do. This is the kind of thing that was encouraged in Nazi Germany – neighbors ratting out neighbors to the Gestapo. Has our country REALLY come to this?

Creeping closer and closer, I fear.
 
I understand. I think the concern is that some governors are suspending rights without even taking science into account. NYC closing schools, as an example. And often without statutory support.
I’m not one of those who finds mask wearing as done from of authoritarian rule. A couple of weeks ago, a gentleman came into church and sat in the pew behind us (a pew clearly marked as to be skipped). He then proceeded to have his mask down. My wife and I changed seats.

My points:
The virus doesn’t seem to care much about our mitigations. States and countries with strict rules seem to have similar problems as those who don’t.
92% if Americans say they wear masks. We just ask that rules make sense. When the rule is wear a mask in a store, okay. When the rule is wear a mask when you’re jogging, it doesn’t make sense. Don’t close schools, it doesn’t make sense. Protect the most vulnerable, thst makes sense.
And do it through appropriate legal processes.
Oh, and political leaders, follow the rules you set in others, including getting your hair done.
 
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Don’t invite elderly or unhealthy family members just in case. For everyone else, the disease has over a 99% survival rate. If you catch it, you’ll have some flu symptoms for a week or so and then be fine. You’re probably more likely to be killed in a car accident on your way home from Thanksgiving dinner than you would be to die from Covid even if you caught it.
 
CradleRC58 said:
I do as well. That’s why I don’t accuse people of fascism when they express an opinion that differs from mine.
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You were not accused of fascism. The poster said the tone of the post was fascist.
And it is. You said Pandemic deniers SHOULD be reported as detriments to society. If someone denies the pandemic exists, the 1st amendment protects the right to express that view. If I think it’s wrong, I refute the claim in the open debate of ideas and opinions in a free society. If, instead, I run to government to silence them, that is a fascistic approach to speech.
 
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BigBoom:
If you catch it, you’ll have some flu symptoms for a week or so and then be fine
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Thankfully anyone who isn’t in denial knows better.
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I’m definitely not in denial. I know multiple people who have tested positive for Covid. So I’m not denying it exists at all. Every single one of them were fine within a week. So either what I stated is true, or the tests are inaccurate.
 
Give them a few months and ask them how they feel.

Some younger people who where infected back earlier in the year who had minor symptoms or were asymptomatic are showing up at their doctor’s office with organ damage and the like.

It will be years before we know what the effects of a minor infection will be. We still don’t know if this virus can lie dormant.
 
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CradleRC58 said:
I do as well. That’s why I don’t accuse people of fascism when they express an opinion that differs from mine.
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If it walks and talks like a duck, well, it’s probably a duck.

The comments were definitely fascist in tone and objective.

Free speech allows both parties to state their opinion.
 
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