OReilly - Bishops fail to address Christmas

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cathgal:
You should be concerned about removing God more than or just as much as the nature of the videos. Don’t underestimate what the liberals are doing w/ Christmas. One step at a time. That’s the way they see it. They work from the outside to the inner core of Christianity. You think they will stop at Christmas only! Not w/ those hard core liberals! You stop them right from the beginning. It’s like a virus, you don’t wait 'til it gets too deep that it can kill you!
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cathgal:
You should be concerned about removing God more than or just as much as the nature of the videos. Don’t underestimate what the liberals are doing w/ Christmas. One step at a time. That’s the way they see it. They work from the outside to the inner core of Christianity. You think they will stop at Christmas only! Not w/ those hard core liberals! You stop them right from the beginning. It’s like a virus, you don’t wait 'til it gets too deep that it can kill you!
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I am concerned about most efforts to removed God from the public square. However, in this instance, my gut makes me want to say to the liberals and retailers “be careful what you wish for” as they might get a more reverant Christmas season w/ less emphasis on the commercial aspects.
 
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Orionthehunter:
I am concerned about most efforts to removed God from the public square. However, in this instance, my gut makes me want to say to the liberals and retailers “be careful what you wish for” as they might get a more reverant Christmas season w/ less emphasis on the commercial aspects.
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We can only hope.
 
Guar Fan:
Perhaps they are silent because ithere is no "war on Christmas’.

Rather than focusing on the reason for the season, the so-called war is focused on the commercial hoopla of Christmastime. I think this is part of the same mentality that favors closing churches on Christmas so that people can stay home and have private family time opening gifts.

Christ is the reason for Christmas. It doesn’t matter if someone says "Happy Holidays " or if they say “Merry Christmas”. What matters is that we remember and celebrate Christ’s birth - and the greeting of a store employee isn’t going to change the reverance I have for Christmas.
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I agree with this. I live in Los Angles and we have people of all faiths and no faith (Christian, Buddist, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, etc) and I respect their traditions enough to not insist that they embrace mine. If they wish me Happy Holidays I’m just happy for the thought. And I’ve heard Happy Holidays all my life (I’m 47 and I grew up in Tennessee) - it meant “Merry Christmas and Happy New Year” or some variation thereof. I have never taken offense at this and I’m not going to start now.

And yes, evangelical Christianity has always been the face of Christianity in this country and it probably always will be. And one reason liberals have such a problem with Christians is that these fundis are so vocal and so sure that theirs is the only valid view. I don’t like them either. I think a lot of liberals are upset because they fail to see the love, mercy and compassion that Jesus taught actually being lived out by those who claim to follow him.
 
The USCCB is too busy writing supportive reviews of Brokeback Mountain to concern itself with publicly fighting against the removal of Christ in the public sector.
 
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MarkR:
O’Reilly always trots out McBrien on Catholic issues. Maybe it’s some kind of Irish simpatico thing. I remember he had him on with Father Pavone regarding whether it was ethical for a Catholic to vote for a pro-abort candidate. Of course McBrien took the position that it was. Neither let Father Pavone get a word in edgewise.
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I was appalled the way O’Reily treated Father Pavone when he had him on concerning Terry Shciavo. It was a big turnoff and I stopped veiwing O’Reilly on a regular basis.
 
I think that either-

A\ O’Reilly’s not up on his Catholicism,
B\ This is part of his “fair & balanced, free thinker” shtick or most likely a combination of the two.

Great self promoter though!
 
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koda:
I agree with this. I live in Los Angles and we have people of all faiths and no faith (Christian, Buddist, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, etc) and I respect their traditions enough to not insist that they embrace mine. If they wish me Happy Holidays I’m just happy for the thought. And I’ve heard Happy Holidays all my life (I’m 47 and I grew up in Tennessee) - it meant “Merry Christmas and Happy New Year” or some variation thereof. I have never taken offense at this and I’m not going to start now.

And yes, evangelical Christianity has always been the face of Christianity in this country and it probably always will be. And one reason liberals have such a problem with Christians is that these fundis are so vocal and so sure that theirs is the only valid view. I don’t like them either. I think a lot of liberals are upset because they fail to see the love, mercy and compassion that Jesus taught actually being lived out by those who claim to follow him.
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I don’t think that having compassion and respect for other people’s traditions is the question. There is a very large move by secular bodies (public schools, local governments, retailers, etc.) to remove specifically christian images and references.

Many of these secular bodies have been bending over backwards to show that they support Kwanza, Chanukah, and other holidays, but any mention of Christmas - commercial or not - has been removed. I heard on EWTN the other day that a public school went so far as to ban the colors red and green (hard to believe anyone would be that extreme), and trees (that so Christian of symbols) are only allowed if they are “holiday trees.”

Now, the thought that this persecution might remove Christmas from the commercial venue might not be a bad thing, and is something that I hadn’t thought of. Maybe we should take the true Christmas underground 🙂 (as if it isn’t already, in a way)!
 
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TableServant:
Many of these secular bodies have been bending over backwards to show that they support Kwanza,
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I live in New York and have spoken to every one of my black friends. Not one celebrates kwanza and they think it’s a joke. They celebrate Jesus’ birthday.
 
Michael C:
I live in New York and have spoken to every one of my black friends. Not one celebrates kwanza and they think it’s a joke. They celebrate Jesus’ birthday.
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:bowdown2::amen::bowdown2:

God bless them, all!
 
I think OReilly is blowing the whole Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas thing out of proportion. It is just a phrase! Does using the word Christmas make the corporation more worthy to shop at? They are not focused on Jesus Christ, but Je$u$ Chri$t.

It is all about the money to those businesses. I would be more concerned if churches started saying Happy Holidays.
 
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pprimeau1976:
I think OReilly is blowing the whole Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas thing out of proportion. It is just a phrase! Does using the word Christmas make the corporation more worthy to shop at? They are not focused on Jesus Christ, but Je$u$ Chri$t.

It is all about the money to those businesses. I would be more concerned if churches started saying Happy Holidays.
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It’s a symptom of a bigger problem, which I discussed in an earlier post. Bill knows this too.
 
BO does not care about Christmas. He cares about his ratings, nothing more and nothing less. He has never been about the people, he just talks a very good game and ropes millions into watching his money making machine. He has no ethics, to a point where he consitently bashes his own faith.
 
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MarkR:
I think that either-

A\ O’Reilly’s not up on his Catholicism,
B\ This is part of his “fair & balanced, free thinker” shtick or most likely a combination of the two.

Great self promoter though!
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For the record: Neither O’Reilly nor Sean Hannity are orthodox Catholics. Both promote contraception and Hannity opposes the idea of Bishops telling pro-abortion politicians they shouldn’t take communion.
 
O’Brien said three very direct and offensive things last night on the show that were soooo like him.
  1. The face of Christianity in the US is from: and he actually snarled at the thought of the fundamentalist, evangelicals in naming them, not because our theology is different, but because they are “conservative” and pro-life for the most part…he wanted to put them down.
  2. He said most of the Bisops appointed during the last 25 yrs look to Rome for guidance. He did not mean that as a compliment. He meant that as a slam as well…against JPII. He thinks we should be the American Church, not Roman Catholic.
  3. He referred to the priest scandals as an issue of pedophilia, not homosexual as it has been proven to be.
So each time he is on, it doesn’t matter what the topic is, he will always get his jabs in. Very sad. Fr. Morris has done better on other appearances, but he did correct him with his “the Bishops are supposed to turn to Rome” remark We need more like him and thankfully most of the younger priests are like him.
 
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bellesjoy:
. Fr. Morris has done betteron other appearances, but he did correct him with his “the Bishops are supposed to turn to Rome” remark We need more like him and thankfully most of the younger priests are like him.
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I agree - I’ve seen Fr. Morris on Fox 3-4 other times and he has always done very well, and he seems very orthodox. I think he was just put in a difficult position - being on with a priest who he must know is a dissident, and with a host who is a cafeteria Catholic. And, if he happens to think the U.S. Bishops should do more, then he’s in an even tougher spot because he can’t very well slam the U.S. Bishops on national TV. A tough spot. I wonder what Father Corapi would have said…I’d love to see him and O’Brien together! That wouldn’t make the Church look too good, but I have to admit, it would be interesting…!
 
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DreadVandal:
For the record: Neither O’Reilly nor Sean Hannity are orthodox Catholics. Both promote contraception and Hannity opposes the idea of Bishops telling pro-abortion politicians they shouldn’t take communion.
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Lol-Doesn’t surprise me. I don’t think that either are particularly…“deep waters”. I’ve yet to see/hear Hannity interview a priest on matters dealing with Christianity. It’s always Dobson, Falwell, Billy Graham Jr., etc. I think he sort of naturally gravitates in that direction. Good guy in most respects though…but he’s GOT TO stop repeating the same mantras over and over and over (continue to add overs).

IMHO the two best out there are Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham! She’s a fairly recent convert (has Father Rutler on frequently) and I sincerely believe that Rush is close!..in fact, I’m almost certain that his brother wrote a glowing blurb for Crocker’s Triumph of the Catholic Church which really slams the Reformation (no prisoners). They’re very private about those things.
 
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TPJCatholic:
BO does not care about Christmas. He cares about his ratings, nothing more and nothing less. He has never been about the people, he just talks a very good game and ropes millions into watching his money making machine. He has no ethics, to a point where he consitently bashes his own faith.
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How right you are. My very devout mother watches him all the time & I don’t know how she does it. He’s just another big-mouthed self-appointed expert on everything who’s out to sell his books. He’s downright uncharitable, no matter who his guests seem to be, because he’s too interested in his own opinion than listening to them. I don’t care if he’s Catholic: he’s just plain obnoxious.
 
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mike182d:
The USCCB is too busy writing supportive reviews of Brokeback Mountain to concern itself with publicly fighting against the removal of Christ in the public sector.
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mike182d:
The USCCB is too busy writing supportive reviews of Brokeback Mountain to concern itself with publicly fighting against the removal of Christ in the public sector.
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This is a very serious charge. I have read the review and it is not supportive (see below). I think one needs to seriously consider whether or not this is bearing false witness and a grave matter. Personally, such a gratuitous attack on our ecclesiastical authorities is in and of itself grave.

Brokeback Mountain – Over-the-years love story between two emotionally fragile cowboys (Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal) who begin an intimate relationship during a solitary sheepherding assignment. Though shortly after, they try to go their separate ways, with one marrying his fiancee (Michelle Williams) and the other a former prom queen (Anne Hathaway), they continue to be drawn to each other. Director Ang Lee’s well-crafted film, which is superbly acted, was adapted from a New Yorker short story by Pulitzer Prize-winner Annie Proulx. It treats the subject matter – which a Catholic audience will find contrary to its moral principles – with discretion. Tacit approval of same-sex relationships, adultery, two brief sex scenes without nudity, partial and shadowy brief nudity elsewhere, other implied sexual situations, profanity, rough and crude expressions, alcohol and brief drug use, brief violent images, a gruesome description of a murder, and some domestic violence. L – limited adult audience, films whose problematic content many adults would find troubling. (R) 2005 usccb.org/movies/limited.shtml
 
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