Original sin

[Crashpanic]

Can we get this thread back up?

I am totally stumped.

You all do want me to get baptized don’t you?

Here is where I am stuck and I liberally rephrase the post above that distilled it so well:

If the will never chooses an action unless the (rational) intellect perceives it as good

And

If in a state of original justice as Adam and Eve enjoyed, the intellect perceives good as good and evil as evil. (unlike us who are concupiscent)

Then

Their intellect, in original justice, would not perceive evil as good.

Therefore

The will in original justice would not have chosen an evil action.

BUT

Adam and Eve were in a state of original justice and chose an evil action.

HOW?

 

[CouldHaveBeen]

Sin is mysterious. How could Adam and Eve actually choose to reject God? But it’s no more mysterious than the angels who chose to reject God. After all, they had no bodies, no emotions, to assist in their temptation.

I think the key in both cases is that God created us as persons, as creatures who can use the word I of ourselves, and decide that we don’t like the fact that God can tell us what to do. The temptation was (and is) to ‘become like gods.’ It seems that temptation always remains with us–Adam & Eve or fallen mankind: “I’ll do it my way, thank you.”

JimG

My response to this is that the Bible teaches us in Genesis that God created man “In His Own Image”. So therefore man IS like a GOD. If we were not created in God’s own image, then we would be as any other creature on the face of the earth. But as God’s Own Images we have the ability to act based on our own consciousness.

The Devil’s temptation (in Genesis) that if Adam and Eve would eat the fruit they would become “like God” was already a lie, since Adam and Eve were ALREADY like God, that is, they had the ability to decide what they were going to do prior to eating the forbidden fruit.

God told them NOT to eat the fruit. He specifically said that they could eat the fruits of any tree in the Garden of Eden EXCEPT the forbidden fruit. They ate it anyway. God knew ahead of time that mankind MIGHT choose to disobey him, yet he gave mankind that choice by making mankind in HIS own image (like God).

But being the SUPREME being, God also knew that if man disobeyed him that he (GOD) had the right to forgive man. So the entire plan was that God would give man the freedom of choice. Man can either obey GOD and become MORE Godlike, or disobey GOD and become more Satan like.

Then God gave us his Son, Jesus Christ, so that if we believe in HIM, we can be forgiven for all our sins…not just the original sin of Adam and Eve (the choice to do evil) but ALL of our sins and shortcomings. WE can be AS GOD.