Orthodox and birth control

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josephdaniel29 said:
We don’t condone abortifacients for any reason, although I’m fairly certain a spermicide isn’t an abortifacient.

Yours in Christ
Joe
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Joe,

Isn’t it true that if a woman has an abortion that canon law still reads that once she repents she would be excommunicated (unable to receive Holy Eucharist) for 30 years?

Marina

The Orthodox Church takes this stuff extremely seriously. Our priests/bishops don’t give women a few “Hail Mary’s” after Confession and then let us back into full communion with the Church. Taking a human life is very serious! After Confession, the Orthodox priest watches to see that their life truly has changed that they are repentant because receiving the Holy Eucharist unworthly is a very serious matter! (per St. Paul)
 
Chaldean_Rite said:
lol. Ok, thanks be to God.

I’m curious to have your take on why exactly Onan was killed.
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God did many things very differently in the Old Covenant. He was condemned for failing to obey the law. As I have said before we are no longer under the law, we are under Grace because Christ has shown us the true purpose of the law.

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
josephdaniel29 said:
God did many things very differently in the Old Covenant. He was condemned for failing to obey the law. As I have said before we are no longer under the law, we are under Grace because Christ has shown us the true purpose of the law.

Yours in Christ
Joe
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So this passage, as well as 80% of the OT have no meaning today…interesting.

btw, God does not change. 🙂
 
josephdaniel29 said:
God did many things very differently in the Old Covenant. He was condemned for failing to obey the law. As I have said before we are no longer under the law, we are under Grace because Christ has shown us the true purpose of the law.

Yours in Christ
Joe
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So this passage has nothing to do with contraception, removing the procreative act from sex?
 
StMarina303ad said:
God created this couple in the time in which sterlization is medically possible which like antibiotics was not available in the past.
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Is sterilization ok for Orthodox? I asked earlier but got a very wordy “I don’t know”.
 
Chaldean_Rite said:
So this passage, as well as 80% of the OT have no meaning today…interesting.

btw, God does not change. 🙂
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Indeed God never changes but we are held to a different standard under the New Covenant. I assumed you knew that? :confused:

We have to take the ultimate purpose of the law into consideration as well. Blind adherence to the letter is no longer sufficient as it was under the Old Covenant. Christ condemned the Pharisees for this very thing because they forgot the ultimate purpose of all of the law, that purpose it love. If artificial contraception is used with that principle in mind and with the blessing of a priest it is far more loving than causing a couple or child to unduly suffer. Surely you must see that?

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
StMarina303ad said:
Joe,

Isn’t it true that if a woman has an abortion that canon law still reads that once she repents she would be excommunicated (unable to receive Holy Eucharist) for 30 years?

Marina

The Orthodox Church takes this stuff extremely seriously. Our priests/bishops don’t give women a few “Hail Mary’s” after Confession and then let us back into full communion with the Church. Taking a human life is very serious! After Confession, the Orthodox priest watches to see that their life truly has changed that they are repentant because receiving the Holy Eucharist unworthly is a very serious matter! (per St. Paul)
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You know I certainly don’t know enough about Church canons to give you an answer to that question. I do know it is common for a person who divorces to be excommunicated for one year regardless of whether they were the guilty party or not.

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
Mickey said:
Then why are so many annulments granted for sometimes trivial reasons?
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As the reasons for a judgment in a nullity case are never made public, how can you possibly know the reasons for any declaration of nullity? Let alone assert that the reasons in many cases are “trivial”?
 
StMarina303ad said:
Joe,

Isn’t it true that if a woman has an abortion that canon law still reads that once she repents she would be excommunicated (unable to receive Holy Eucharist) for 30 years?

Marina

The Orthodox Church takes this stuff extremely seriously. Our priests/bishops don’t give women a few “Hail Mary’s” after Confession and then let us back into full communion with the Church. Taking a human life is very serious! After Confession, the Orthodox priest watches to see that their life truly has changed that they are repentant because receiving the Holy Eucharist unworthly is a very serious matter! (per St. Paul)
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I assure you that a Catholic who confesses to an abortion is NOT just given a few Hail Marys and sent on her way! Materially assisting in procuring an abortion incurs AUTOMATIC excommunication, reserved to the bishop. So the priest to whom the aborter confesses, must first get individual specific permission from his bishop for the aborter to be readmitted to communion.
 
StMarina303ad said:
Joe,

Isn’t it true that if a woman has an abortion that canon law still reads that once she repents she would be excommunicated (unable to receive Holy Eucharist) for 30 years?

Marina

The Orthodox Church takes this stuff extremely seriously. Our priests/bishops don’t give women a few “Hail Mary’s” after Confession and then let us back into full communion with the Church. Taking a human life is very serious! After Confession, the Orthodox priest watches to see that their life truly has changed that they are repentant because receiving the Holy Eucharist unworthly is a very serious matter! (per St. Paul)
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I assure you that a Catholic who confesses to an abortion is NOT just given a few Hail Marys and sent on her way! Materially assisting in procuring an abortion incurs AUTOMATIC excommunication, reserved to the bishop. So the priest to whom the aborter confesses, must first get individual specific permission from his bishop for the aborter to be readmitted to communion.
 
Petergee said:
As the reasons for a judgment in a nullity case are never made public, how can you possibly know the reasons for any declaration of nullity? Let alone assert that the reasons in many cases are “trivial”?
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probably hearsay.
 
Petergee said:
As the reasons for a judgment in a nullity case are never made public, how can you possibly know the reasons for any declaration of nullity? Let alone assert that the reasons in many cases are “trivial”?
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I know many people who have had annulments.
 
Petergee said:
So the priest to whom the aborter confesses, must first get individual specific permission from his bishop for the aborter to be readmitted to communion.
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The Roman Catholic priest usually already has the permission of the bishop to absolve the confessee in such circumstances.
 
mardukm said:
We Catholics do not believe bishops (or even the Pope) has the authority to make laws that are contrary to God’s laws.
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Can you say: Infallibility. :eek:
 
Petergee said:
IF nullity is declared (and in many cases it is not) two people who (may have) THOUGHT they were sacramentally married are found to have NEVER been sacramentally married.
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The retroactive erasure of the sacrament.
 
mardukm said:
However, I imagine a possible solution.
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That’s nice. And here is my solution:

Do away with the legalistic excuse for pretending that marriages never ocurred through decrees of nullity. Adopt the Holy Orthodox way of counseling, mercy, compassion, forgiveness and love. :love:
 
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