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Zundrah
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But why do you disobey him? Don’t you believe any more?
But you want to be catholic, right? That’s goooood news!
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But you want to be catholic, right? That’s goooood news!
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SingleMomMonica
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But why do you disobey him?
It is because after careful prayer and study, I have come to believe that on the issues which separate the Orthodox and Catholic Churches that the Catholic Church is correct.
But you want to be catholic, right? That’s goooood news!
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trophybearer
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Boy, that sounds like just what the Catholic Church needs… more disobedient members.
Seriously though, you know “your” Orthodox priest is not going to commune you now… is he really still your priest? You’ve effectively apostacized from the Orthodox Church. I’m truly sorry to hear that.
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SingleMomMonica
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Boy, that sounds like just what the Catholic Church needs… more disobedient members.
You also may want to look into the issues a little deeper to see why an Orthodox Christian would go Catholic - the issues I’m speaking of, or rather writing about, are those that separated the 2 Churches in the first place.
Keep up the great sense of humor!And I hope you enjoy the holiday weekend!
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trophybearer
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All you can do is what you believe is right… I would disagree, and I’m truly sorry to hear that you’ve left the Orthodox Church. Best of luck in all things though.
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trophybearer
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Monica- I removed the post you replied to because I was sorry I posted it. I was judging and was wrong. Please forgive this sinner. You’re not disobedient, you were disobedient once, and you’ve placed yourself under obedience to another. I made the opposite move from the one you’re making not long ago, I understand somewhat… at least that it isn’t easy. As I said, good luck, and I’ll gladly pray for you, please do me the same favor if you find a spare minute.
God Bless
God Bless
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SingleMomMonica
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Thank you.
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SingleMomMonica
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You are so sweet! I wondered what happened to the post? Or if I’d just imagined it was there…my daughter tells me I’m crazy and I was starting to think she may be right
I forgive you, but think there is nothing to forgive really.
If you made the opposite move, it’s easy to see why you would have made the post. I’d erase my response to it, but I’m not computer savvy.
It’s easy to see why you would have fallen in love with the Orthodox Church. Although, if not now, perhaps in time, I think you may be exposed to the teachings of the Churches which split them and especially through reading St. John Chyrsostom, may come to the same conclusion that I did on the issues.
Be at peace and enjoy Orthodoxy, but just tuck this into the back of your mind for future reference: The Catholic Church is just 1 Confession away, should you ever feel the need to return. And the priest may just tell you that you never left…
Peace be with you in your journey.
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trophybearer
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Thank you. Actually, I’d say that I pretty much readmy way into the Orthodox Church long before I even attended a liturgy, and find history and St. John Chrysostom and the Fathers to prove the opposite. As for my former priest, many years to Fr. Hearn, but I’m positive he will never need to hear any of my sins again.You are so sweet! I wondered what happened to the post? Or if I’d just imagined it was there…my daughter tells me I’m crazy and I was starting to think she may be right
I forgive you, but think there is nothing to forgive really.
If you made the opposite move, it’s easy to see why you would have made the post. I’d erase my response to it, but I’m not computer savvy.
It’s easy to see why you would have fallen in love with the Orthodox Church. Although, if not now, perhaps in time, I think you may be exposed to the teachings of the Churches which split them and especially through reading St. John Chyrsostom, may come to the same conclusion that I did on the issues.
Be at peace and enjoy Orthodoxy, but just tuck this into the back of your mind for future reference: The Catholic Church is just 1 Confession away, should you ever feel the need to return. And the priest may just tell you that you never left…
Peace be with you in your journey.
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surgei
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I would like to point out the difference between what RC’s mean as Immaculate and what is right according to the fathers. RC’s attatche the word conception to the word Immaculate when they speak of the Most Holy Mother of God. It is not a stand alone doctrine. It has two parts. On both parts the Orthodox must disagree. I will summerize the two points in an oversimplified way here.
The first is the acceptance of orrigonal sin as understood by the Catholics: man recieves a nature from Adam that deprives him of the ability to chose any good and thus is deprived of the beatific vision ie. heaven.
The second is that God having seen that Mary would say yes to his asking her to bear the second person of the divinity did not allow her to be given Adam’s currupt nature. Thus turnning God to a predestinator as understood by Calvin and depriving Mary of her virtue by stripping her of the likeness of hummanity that are shared by the rest of us. St. John of Shanghi points this out in a way that I cannot.
Well Many of the western Saints seam to do the same. One of the things I like is how RC’s gloss over the Father who says, “Where the bishop is, there is the Catholic Church.” Katholikos cannot in this sense mean “universal” which bids the modern reader to come unto a new meaning (at least to him) of the word Catholic. Thus coming to the Orthodox meaning and eventually to reject the power grabs of the Roman Pontiff.
You take up the Catholic position quite well here. Yet it limmits two things that Orthodox hold dear. One is that Man has a free will through all of eternity. Thus even in hell is capable of being saved by God’s mercy which is limmited in that RC’s teach that God cannot save a person from hell, the second issue God’s free will. It also gets into speculative theology. Orthodoxy does not do speculative theology. She confines herself to what has been revealed and challenges her faithful to follow that path.
I am not engrained to rebel against these things. I was a protestant as a child. Twelve years ago I became Roman Catholic and had John Hardon S.J. as my spiritual father. It was not long before his death that I began to disagree with him. In 2006 I was Baptized into the Holy Orthodox Church. Obviously I feel that it is the Orthodox who have the better understanding.
Do you find it odd that one patriarch seperates himself from the rest and it is their proginy that must defend themselves against his foolishness.
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In the time of Daniel there were many wise men, but only Daniel was able with God’s help to decipher the Nebuchadnezzar dream. Today there are many wise men, however where are miracles?
Orthodox miracles:
1.History said that Apostle Peter going to Jesus sepulcher saw a Light. Yearly, on the same place, on the Easter Orthodox date which some time is different of Protestant Easter date , a Light comes from sky to the place Jesus resurrected. On that place , there is a Church, the Holy Sepulcher Church and in that Church on the Orthodox Easter date a Holy Light comes YEARLY. When Armenians tried to receive Holy light, Holy light come to Orthodox Christians. Why? God knows why.
However Orthodox = right belief.
Now look in this movie under middle gate:
youtube.com/watch?v=6EI71Uk28rI&feature=channel_page
2.When Jesus was baptised, Jordan river moved back to show Jesus is God and above nature. On the same place Jesus was baptised, on the Orthodox Day of Celebration of Jesus Baptism, Jordan river moves back and in the following movie one can see cross moving up the stream.
youtube.com/watch?v=CfmrqZwUjCQ&feature=channel_page
3.On the transfiguration day, on Mount Tabor a cloud comes yearly, on the day Orthodox Church celebrates Jesus apparition.
4.Angels coming at Orthodox Christian Holy Liturgy 2:37 and 2:38
youtube.com/watch?v=RFA79d8859o&feature=channel_page
5 Others youtube.com/user/IoanRomania09
Lets think at Union of Churches on the dogma of 1000 that both Churches recognizes as valid.
One more thing, through Jesus Prayer Orthodox Monks and Orthodox People can speak with God, Jesus, St Mary, saints as of today and they help Orthodox Christianity have the right belief.
Orthodox miracles:
1.History said that Apostle Peter going to Jesus sepulcher saw a Light. Yearly, on the same place, on the Easter Orthodox date which some time is different of Protestant Easter date , a Light comes from sky to the place Jesus resurrected. On that place , there is a Church, the Holy Sepulcher Church and in that Church on the Orthodox Easter date a Holy Light comes YEARLY. When Armenians tried to receive Holy light, Holy light come to Orthodox Christians. Why? God knows why.
However Orthodox = right belief.
Now look in this movie under middle gate:
youtube.com/watch?v=6EI71Uk28rI&feature=channel_page
2.When Jesus was baptised, Jordan river moved back to show Jesus is God and above nature. On the same place Jesus was baptised, on the Orthodox Day of Celebration of Jesus Baptism, Jordan river moves back and in the following movie one can see cross moving up the stream.
youtube.com/watch?v=CfmrqZwUjCQ&feature=channel_page
3.On the transfiguration day, on Mount Tabor a cloud comes yearly, on the day Orthodox Church celebrates Jesus apparition.
4.Angels coming at Orthodox Christian Holy Liturgy 2:37 and 2:38
youtube.com/watch?v=RFA79d8859o&feature=channel_page
5 Others youtube.com/user/IoanRomania09
Lets think at Union of Churches on the dogma of 1000 that both Churches recognizes as valid.
One more thing, through Jesus Prayer Orthodox Monks and Orthodox People can speak with God, Jesus, St Mary, saints as of today and they help Orthodox Christianity have the right belief.
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mardukm
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Dear sister Monica,
Congratulations on your move to the Catholic Church. I did the same about 5 years ago. But I’m interested to know - did you translate to the Latin Catholic Church, or an Eastern Catholic Church?
Blessings,
Marduk
Congratulations on your move to the Catholic Church. I did the same about 5 years ago. But I’m interested to know - did you translate to the Latin Catholic Church, or an Eastern Catholic Church?
Blessings,
Marduk
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Zundrah
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Amen, I couldn’t agree more!
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mardukm
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Dear brother surgei,
Blessings,
Marduk
Actually, you have misrepresented the Catholic position quite well. But perhaps sister Monica realized that - which his why she has decided after much study to come into the Catholic Church. Perhaps if other non-Catholics were able to let go of their misconceptions of the Catholic Faith, then they would also become Catholics. That was one of the motivating factors of my becoming Catholic - because I realized just how much she was being misrepresented by my fellow Orthodox. It’s not that there was anything wrong with Orthodoxy - it’s just that the teachings of Catholicism were being twisted to mean or be something they are not. But once one sees Catholicism as she actually is, then her beauty and Truth are too compelling to resist.
You have a misunderstanding of that phrase "where the bishop is, there is the Catholic Church. Catholic does indeed mean “universal” here. Catholic has always meant universal. What does “Catholic” mean to you as an Eastern Orthodox?
Again, more misrepresentations, or perhaps just misunderstanding. When Orthodox pray for those in “Hell,” they do not mean the same thing that Westerns mean when Westerns use that term. Westerns use the term to refer to the state of Eternal separation from God; Easterns and Orientals, on the other hand, use the term to refer to “Hades” which is the resting place of all souls where they get a foretaste of their eternal reward (either Heaven or Hell). In fact, those who state that one can pray for those in “Hell” do not believe that “Hell” (as the Westerns understand it) will even exist until the Endtimes. So there’s no way for you to validly claim that the Eastern Orthodox teaching contradicts the Western teaching on the matter. It’s just not that simple.
It’s fine if you feel that the Orthodox have a better understanding. But to validly say that, you need to prove that you really understood Catholicism in the first place, and it doesn’t really seem (just from your statements so far) that you had.
Blessings,
Marduk
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AdrianP
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Orthodox Church considers itself Universal or Catholic too. Logic is not the answer since there are maybe 30 000 Protestant denominations , everyone with wise men. Revelation it is important and this is why is Important for Orthodox Church to have people speaking with God, Jesus, St Mary, saints. Saint Mary loves Catholic Church. There is a Monastery in Orthodox Christianity with a foot print of Saint Mary. Hope the 2 Churches will unite around dogma of year 1000.
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Zundrah
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Hmm, I’ve looked but not found any orthodox churches here around London.
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josephdaniel29
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AdrianP
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Hopefully Catholicism will get Jesus prayer back from Early Church. They can get it from Orthodox Church so they can speak with God, Jesus, St Mary, saints, so they can sort out the issues…
On the book Mountain of Silence by Kiriacos Markides there is an example when Elder Paisios received a visit of Holy Mother of God , St John the Theologian and Saint Euphemia and asked the Saint Euphemia about her life.
I think he needed these information. If reading this book filter what author say.
On the book Mountain of Silence by Kiriacos Markides there is an example when Elder Paisios received a visit of Holy Mother of God , St John the Theologian and Saint Euphemia and asked the Saint Euphemia about her life.
I think he needed these information. If reading this book filter what author say.
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Zundrah
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lol - but these are seriously far from my house!
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josephdaniel29
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