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Well the Orthodox are defiantly welcome here no doubt… But we’re not obligated in any way to support Orthodoxy as equal to Catholicism as far as doctrine is concerned. Aside from the fact that we should respect their rules should we ever worship with them. But even then, that should be avoided.
 
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If you present yourself at the chalice - you will be questioned pretty carefully - have you made a recent Confession , who is your priest , do you have his permission to attend and approach the chalice etc etc.

You state

I know of no Orthodox Priest , and I know quite a few , who would not question ANY stranger who approached the chalice , without seeing them beforehand .

Orthodox Priests guard the chalice very very carefully
Even when they decide a given Catholic is “Orthodox Enough” for reception, it’s an individual case by case.

The parishes where it may happen are ones where the outsider, even an Orthodox outsider, will be noticed immediately.

They will know also by the mode of confession. And in smaller OCA parishes, approaching without having been to confession within the weekend in question will result in being turned away, even if you are OCA…
 
I believe that Orthodoxy is right and Catholicism is not (in so far as they differ), but I would never tell a Catholic not to come to one of our liturgies, if they wanted to do that. In fact, I have encouraged Catholic and Protestant friends to do so, because it is a unique experience for them and so they’re likely to gain a bit of perspective as a result. I would explain to them beforehand that they cannot receive communion (though we don’t have to do that with the two Catholics who regularly attend here at St. Bishoy, because they know that already), but aside from that one prohibition, why should we **not **want them to be with us? That is the first thing that anybody from church says if I bring up having met a new person recently (I only moved to Albuquerque about a year ago, so that’s still happening): “Will you invite them to come visit us?” We love our faith and our church, so of course it is open to anyone who wants to experience it, provided that they follow our rules concerning communion (and that’s really the only thing; visitors don’t have to take their shoes off like we do, since they won’t be approaching the sanctuary). So we don’t have the kind of adversarial relationship with the local non-Orthodox Christians that you might expect if you read some of the posts in this thread, and, having read those posts, I’m really, really glad about that.

You are all welcome to St. Bishoy COC in New Mexico, by the way. 🙂 Give us a few more months and we may even have our own building (finally! after 16 years!), God willing. 😃
 
Well I’ll admit I’m not the best when it comes to presentation, but I think my points do come across, which is always my main objective. I just believe that even though we care for our Orthodox friends we ought to make it a point that Catholicism is the only path, and that Orthodoxy being as wonderful as it is, lacks the fullness of truth… Catholics cannot deny this.
 
I believe that Orthodoxy is right and Catholicism is not (in so far as they differ), but I would never tell a Catholic not to come to one of our liturgies, if they wanted to do that. In fact, I have encouraged Catholic and Protestant friends to do so, because it is a unique experience for them and so they’re likely to gain a bit of perspective as a result. I would explain to them beforehand that they cannot receive communion (though we don’t have to do that with the two Catholics who regularly attend here at St. Bishoy, because they know that already), but aside from that one prohibition, why should we **not **want them to be with us? That is the first thing that anybody from church says if I bring up having met a new person recently (I only moved to Albuquerque about a year ago, so that’s still happening): “Will you invite them to come visit us?” We love our faith and our church, so of course it is open to anyone who wants to experience it, provided that they follow our rules concerning communion (and that’s really the only thing; visitors don’t have to take their shoes off like we do, since they won’t be approaching the sanctuary). So we don’t have the kind of adversarial relationship with the local non-Orthodox Christians that you might expect if you read some of the posts in this thread, and, having read those posts, I’m really, really glad about that.

You are all welcome to St. Bishoy COC in New Mexico, by the way. 🙂 Give us a few more months and we may even have our own building (finally! after 16 years!), God willing. 😃
You see, you can’t do that here. It’s called prothlesyzing.
 
How is it odd when the prayer used to consecrate it is a different prayer than the one the Orthodox use. So I should believe then that the prayers the Orthodox use in their doctrines are just as good as the Catholic doctrines…? I cannot.
 
How is it odd when the prayer used to consecrate it is a different prayer than the one the Orthodox use. So I should believe then that the prayers the Orthodox use in their doctrines are just as good as the Catholic doctrines…? I cannot.
This is absurd. Byzantine Catholics use the same prayers in their Divine Liturgy as do the Eastern Orthodox. Is an Eastern Catholic celebration of the Eucharist inferior to one that is Roman Catholic?
 
Oh dear - here we have that oft mentioned statement that the Latin Catholic traditions are superior to the Eastern traditions.

This is NOT so - they are just different

BTW prothlesyzing. is spelt proselytism
 
This is absurd. Byzantine Catholics use the same prayers in their Divine Liturgy as do the Eastern Orthodox. Is an Eastern Catholic celebration of the Eucharist inferior to one that is Roman Catholic?
No.
 
But if you insist that our Eucharist is inferior because our Eucharistic Anaphoras are inferior, how can you say that the Eastern Catholic Eucharist is not inferior, when they use the same prayers?
 
Then what is the basis of your argument that the Orthodox have an inferior celebration of the Eucharist, since the one you just tried to use on the basis of their prayers won’t work, since Eastern Catholics use the same prayers?
 
Then what is the basis of your argument that the Orthodox have an inferior celebration of the Eucharist, since the one you just tried to use on the basis of their prayers won’t work, since Eastern Catholics use the same prayers?
I’m stumped. Maybe you can enlighten me as to why it’s the same.? If you can, maybe you can tell me if the Catholic Church states this as a doctrinal truth.
 
I’m stumped. Maybe you can enlighten me as to why it’s the same.? If you can, maybe you can tell me if the Catholic Church states this as a doctrinal truth.
Is the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by an Orthodox priest in an Orthodox Divine Liturgy somehow inferior to the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by a Catholic priest in a Catholic Mass?
 
You see, you can’t do that here. It’s called prothlesyzing.
Oh, like fun it is. I did not say (nor would I say) “all of you should become Orthodox”. I know where I’m posting, thank you very much. It is only in your mind that any mention of another Church that is not in communion with Rome, even when that is the topic of this thread, is proselytizing. My point was to illustrate that you can still think another communion wrong in some respect and yet be friendly and welcoming to its members. You don’t actually need to “guard” yourselves against attempts to cultivate brotherliness, unless you are insecure in your faith. And if you are insecure in your faith (if), then posting on this messageboard is probably not the best thing you could be doing. People who have known me on here for a long time (such as some of the people you have been discussing things with in this very thread) might remember that I took a fairly long sabbatical from this place while I was figuring out what I believe and where I needed to be in order to best live out those beliefs. I am very glad I did so, because such arguments as the one we are having now would have probably soured me on the whole matter of church.

Again, if you want to take a different tack with Catholics, that is your business. My point was that there is a lot of unnecessary aggressiveness in the name of declaring or maintaining the supposed superiority of your confession. I would think that anyone in your church would already believe in that superiority without having to denigrate other churches…after all, you are Catholic, and not Orthodox. As for me, I will continue as I always have. If you feel I have proselytized the Catholics here at CAF by showing how we, as Orthodox people, are welcoming to Catholic visitors (none of whom have converted, or been pressured to), then I would welcome having a moderator look over the posts in question. I do not feel the charge would stand, but I am not here to consciously break the rules. (A fitting end, don’t you think, given the recent discussion? ;))
 
Personally, I thought the accusation that you were proselytizing was silly.
 
Is the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by an Orthodox priest in an Orthodox Divine Liturgy somehow inferior to the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by a Catholic priest in a Catholic Mass?
I don’t know for sure, and I don’t think it’s all that important. Why does it even matter? If Church doctrines say that it is then I’ll believe it. If not, then I’m free to have my own opinion.
 
I don’t know for sure, and I don’t think it’s all that important. Why does it even matter? If Church doctrines say that it is then I’ll believe it. If not, then I’m free to have my own opinion.
Of course you’re free to have your own opinion. But again, I ask you, is the Body and Blood of our Lord, in an Orthodox Church (the Catholic Church does indeed teach that the Orthodox have valid sacraments) somehow inferior to the Body and Blood of our Lord in a Catholic Church? Surely not (to say otherwise would, in my opinion, be blasphemous). So since it is the case that the sacrament is the same, and indeed, the prayers, in spite of what you erroneously stated previously, that effect the sacrament are not different from Catholic prayers (since the Eastern Catholics use the same prayers, it seems to be that your opinion is simply unfounded.
 
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Is the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by an Orthodox priest in an Orthodox Divine Liturgy somehow inferior to the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by a Catholic priest in a Catholic Mass?
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I don’t know for sure, and I don’t think it’s all that important. Why does it even matter? If Church doctrines say that it is then I’ll believe it. If not, then I’m free to have my own opinion.
Is the Body and Blood of Christ given by an Orthodox priest in an Orthodox Divine Liturgy somehow inferior to the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by an EASTERN Catholic priest in an EASTERN Catholic Divine Liturgy and also somehow inferior to the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by a Latin Catholic priest in a Latin Catholic Mass ?
 
Originally Posted by RyanBlack
Is the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by an Orthodox priest in an Orthodox Divine Liturgy somehow inferior to the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by a Catholic priest in a Catholic Mass?
From TEPO

Is the Body and Blood of Christ given by an Orthodox priest in an Orthodox Divine Liturgy somehow inferior to the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by an EASTERN Catholic priest in an EASTERN Catholic Divine Liturgy and also somehow inferior to the Body and Blood of Christ distributed by a Latin Catholic priest in a Latin Catholic Mass ?
No, I see no difference between the Eastern and Western parts of the Church as far as inferiority. They’re absolutely equal in every way.
 
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