You don’t decide what sin is or is not for other people, God does.
I’m not the one deciding what is or is not a sin.
I didn’t decide that lying is a sin. The natural law that God has given us tells us that. I was merely pointing it out.
And I didn’t decide that sneakily attempting to receive Communion at an Orthodox Divine Liturgy is an example of lying. The basic laws of logic self-evidently do that.
Of course, if you admit that you’re Catholic, then that’s another thing entirely. You’re
not lying then, of course. But in that case… the most likely scenario is that the Orthodox priest will simply explain kindly that he cannot offer you Holy Communion.
By the way I made that comment as a sincere reflection of how I felt. For you to use it against me after since being convinced otherwise is a shameful thing to do.
Okay, calm down. I wasn’t intending to “use it against” you. Nor did I intend to impugn your feelings. I was simply stating that I do not believe that the Orthodox consider us “filthy.”
Why not let the Orthodox fight their own battles. They’re much better at being apologetics at it than a few Catholics trying to keep “their” people in line.
Because, to be frank, it’s a bit of a scandal and an embarrassment when Catholics act like we ought to have the right to receive the Eucharist at Orthodox Liturgies. This involves both of our churches, so it’s not just “their own” battle.
I was advising the Catholics here to stop trying to correct Marybeloved and myself by trying to intimidate us.
Correction is not intimidation. I saw no one on this friend attempting to “intimidate” you.
People come to these forums to pose arguments, debates, to learn, etc. we don’t want other Catholics coming over here telling us to ‘shush-up’.
Again, no one to my knowledge was trying to get you to “shush up.” But for a Catholic to claim that he should be allowed to receive the Eucharist at an Orthodox Liturgy, and could justly attempt to do so in direct contravention of their rules, merits correction.
You don’t get to make such statements and then whine when you receive correction on the matter. Such statements
merit correction, TEPO.
Any Catholic that correctly states the position of both Churches is labeled arrogant by provocateurs who advance this position. They would rather go one on one with the Orthodox, as it is more fun to pick at them directly.
I think you really hit the nail on the head here.
Yes, of course -I’ve engaged in deception… Right.
Oh, no, I don’t think you’ve engaged in deception. I don’t think that’s what he was saying.
Rather, the point we’re trying to make is that to present yourself for Communion at an Orthodox Liturgy without admitting you’re Catholic would be intrinsically deceptive, therefore wrong. No one’s accusing you of actually doing so.
We’re just saying that if a Catholic did this, it would be a serious sin against the truth.
I don’t blame them, though (the Catholics who are vocal about how bad this hypothetical is). It reflects poorly on their church when other members of it talk, even hypothetically, of flagrantly disrespecting the rules of other churches.
Indeed.
No, I’m talking about Catholics condemning other Catholics instead of embracing them with compassion. For the sake of Catholic unity.
I don’t think anyone meant to “condemn” you, TEPO. We merely wanted to correct the unacceptable notion that it would be morally licit to silently pretend to be Orthodox in order to receive their Eucharist, knowing that they restrict the Sacrament to their own members.
Condemning a position is
not the same as condemning the person who proposed it. Not at all.
) in an “inferior” Eucharist?