Orthodox catholics

[Marybeloved]

Not to me.

 

[Fone_Bone_2001]

So what if I like to stir the pot a little… It’s not like I’m the one missing out on anything here. After all, I’m not a Protestant and my Church has the fullness of Truth -although I do sympathize more for the Protestants than I do for the Orthodox.

If “stirring the pot” means willfully conveying falsehoods on very important matters, then it matters because that’s a serious sin that we must avoid.

Obviously the Orthodox view Catholics as filthy. …and that sort of hurts my feelings… So I suppose I just want the rights to it, not that I actually want it at all.

They do not consider us filthy. That’s an unjust accusation to make to them.

We don’t let Protestants have our Holy Communion. Does that mean we consider them filthy? No? Well, then the fact that Orthodox won’t let us have their Holy Communion doesn’t mean that they think we’re filthy.

Not at all. It is just that we take Paul’s injunction to discern the Body of Christ very seriously. If we do not share the unity of faith, then how can we share the divine and mystic gifts without eating and drinking condemnation upon ourselves because of what would be a disunity which would rend the eucharistic community apart? Again, this is much more than mentality of ’ it’s just Jesus and me’ (the very question, ‘how could they rightfully keep me from the Eucharist’ is reflective of this mentality), it is about Jesus and His relation to the Eucharistic community—His Mystical Body—gathered in one place with one bishop and one Eucharist. If one does not share in the unity of the faith of the eucharistic community, he should not partake without some sort of dispensation of the bishop, who is head of that community.

Well said, Cavaradossi.

Oh I get it now it’s both. Transubstantiation and communal. And Catholics think its transubstantiation and personal. Hmmm.

It’s communal for us, too, TEPO. The Mass in which we receive the Holy Eucharist is the highest prayer of the Church - an official, public prayer. It is about full communion with each other and having the fullness of the faith with us, too.

I see nothing wrong with it apart from a clear act of disobedience. There’s just nothing damning about a Catholic receiving in grave circumstances without lying apart from disobedience just because I’m Catholic.

But don’t you see that presuming that silence is consent, when we know that it’s not, is lying? And isn’t lying sinful? And isn’t a serious lie gravely sinful?

Besides, why is obedience so unimportant? Don’t we and the Orthodox agree that the episcopate is the foundation of unity and authority in the Church? Shouldn’t we therefore be obedient to that authority? Our Orthodox brethren here are right: I wouldn’t dream of presenting myself for Holy Communion at an Orthodox Liturgy without the explicit permission of both my bishop and their bishop.

(Well, in light of our church’s canons, I suppose I could presume my bishop’s assent if I were truly unable to get to a Catholic Liturgy. If I were able to get to a Catholic Liturgy, however, I would not presume consent even from my Catholic bishop in that case)

 

[Marybeloved]

Because I don’t think I’d be obligated, say the church didn’t forbid me (remember those hypothesis brackets are up lest a fourth person misses it again), to let them know I was Catholic if I had necessity and it was not regular.

 

[Marybeloved]

You’re right. I could see the episcopacy argument and the Bishop’s right to forbid reception in his churches and obedience based on that authority.

If “stirring the pot” means willfully conveying falsehoods on very important matters, then it matters because that’s a serious sin that we must avoid.

They do not consider us filthy. That’s an unjust accusation to make to them.

We don’t let Protestants have our Holy Communion. Does that mean we consider them filthy? No? Well, then the fact that Orthodox won’t let us have their Holy Communion doesn’t mean that they think we’re filthy.

Well said, Cavaradossi.

It’s communal for us, too, TEPO. The Mass in which we receive the Holy Eucharist is the highest prayer of the Church - an official, public prayer. It is about full communion with each other and having the fullness of the faith with us, too.

But don’t you see that presuming that silence is consent, when we know that it’s not, is lying? And isn’t lying sinful? And isn’t a serious lie gravely sinful?

Besides, why is obedience so unimportant? Don’t we and the Orthodox agree that the episcopate is the foundation of unity and authority in the Church? Shouldn’t we therefore be obedient to that authority? Our Orthodox brethren here are right: I wouldn’t dream of presenting myself for Holy Communion at an Orthodox Liturgy without the explicit permission of both my bishop and their bishop.

(Well, in light of our church’s canons, I suppose I could presume my bishop’s assent if I were truly unable to get to a Catholic Liturgy. If I were able to get to a Catholic Liturgy, however, I would not presume consent even from my Catholic bishop in that case)

 

[Marybeloved]

In any case, I’ve upset quite a few people on this thread already with my ideas. I’m sorry to you all. Please be assured that I’m not going to receive communion in an Orthodox Church even if my wild theory miraculously came true. Please continue in the previous mode before I came in.

 

[TEPO]

In any case, I’ve upset quite a few people on this thread already with my ideas. I’m sorry to you all. Please be assured that I’m not going to receive communion in an Orthodox Church even if my wild theory miraculously came true. Please continue in the previous mode before I came in.

Oh don’t let them run you off like that Mary. They’re all just very sensitive people, who have nothing better to do to drop a few tears over a hypothetical situation.

Don’t let anyone make you feel like you’ve done anything wrong here because you havent.

 

[TEPO]

If “stirring the pot” means willfully conveying falsehoods on very important matters, then it matters because that’s a serious sin that we must avoid.

They do not consider us filthy. That’s an unjust accusation to make to them.

You don’t decide what sin is or is not for other people, God does. You need to stop acting like a Priest on these forums. Unless you can prove that you are one, which you can’t. …and you’re not supposed to per CAF rules.

By the way I made that comment as a sincere reflection of how I felt. For you to use it against me after since being convinced otherwise is a shameful thing to do.

 

[TEPO]

Why not let the Orthodox fight their own battles. They’re much better at being apologetics at it than a few Catholics trying to keep “their” people in line.

 

[Zosimus41]

No. They wouldn’t allow you.

Your right about that.

I visited Coptic Mass and spoke to the priest before hand he advised we could not go to communion.

I would not have known to kick off my shoes and would have disrespected the rubrics. Im glad I asked.

 

[lssanjose]

Why not let the Orthodox fight their own battles. They’re much better at being apologetics at it than a few Catholics trying to keep “their” people in line.

What are you trying to imply here? I don’t see any Orthodox brethren fighting battles. We’re all one body of Christ, may be not earthly, but certainly mystical. This I’ll keep until reunion is achieved. I never get the sense of this superiority/inferiority complex, whenever I’m among my Eastern Christian brethren. It however, reeks heavily among some of the Western Christian brethren I’ve come across. I say some, not all.

 

[TEPO]

What are you trying to imply here? I don’t see any Orthodox brethren fighting battles.

You missed my point. I was advising the Catholics here to stop trying to correct Marybeloved and myself by trying to intimidate us. People come to these forums to pose arguments, debates, to learn, etc. we don’t want other Catholics coming over here telling us to ‘shush-up’… I say, let the Orthodox or the Byzintines, if they must, discuss what we bring to them on their own. I’m sure they can handle it without the help of these Catholics who want to ‘lord-over’ other Catholics.

 

[lssanjose]

You missed my point. I was advising the Catholics here to stop trying to correct Marybeloved and myself by trying to intimidate us. People come to these forums to pose arguments, debates, to learn, etc. we don’t want other Catholics coming over here telling us to ‘shush-up’… I say, let the Orthodox or the Byzintines, if they must, discuss what we bring to them on their own. I’m sure they can handle it without the help of these Catholics who want to ‘lord-over’ other Catholics.

apologies for missing your point(s); and I agree with your last point, especially.

 

[Peter_J]

                 Originally Posted by **Marybeloved**

I find this ^^ a little confusing. My impression was that TEPO wasn’t upset by Marybeloved’s statements, but rather by the fact that he can’t receive communion in an Orthodox Church.

It’s not like I’m the one missing out on anything here. After all, I’m not a Protestant and my Church has the fullness of Truth -although I do sympathize more for the Protestants than I do for the Orthodox.

Obviously the Orthodox view Catholics as filthy. …and that sort of hurts my feelings… So I suppose I just want the rights to it, not that I actually want it at all.

 

[Peter_J]

It seems to me like Catholics commune on a global scale while the Orthodox commune on a parish level. Is this right?

Yes it is. Catholics commune on a parish level, and also on a global scale. Orthodox commune on a parish level, and also on a global scale.

 

[Cavaradossi]

Yes it is. Catholics commune on a parish level, and also on a global scale. Orthodox commune on a parish level, and also on a global scale.

Reminds me of an old East German joke.

Teacher: Fritzchen, what is the difference between Capitalism and Socialism?

Fritz: In Capitalism, man exploits man; in Socialism, it’s the other way around.

 

[Peter_J]

                 Originally Posted by **TEPO**

youtube.com/watch?v=-sAAwMxnRkk&t=39s

 

[TEPO]

hahahahaha… Hilarious!

 

[Peter_J]

hahahahaha… Hilarious!

Thanks. (Unless you’re referring to Cavaradossi’s joke.)

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Yes, this whole thread is hilarious. Amid the at least weekly new threads asking whether or not it is permissible for a Latin Catholic to receive the Holy Eucharist in an Eastern Catholic Church, we can now debate whether or not same Latin Catholic can stroll to the Chalice in an Orthodox Church at will. Any Catholic that correctly states the position of both Churches is labeled arrogant by provocateurs who advance this position. They would rather go one on one with the Orthodox, as it is more fun to pick at them directly.

Nothing like being torched from both ends …

 

[Nine_Two]

I wouldn’t go that far, in my mind, to say this. They take the issue of being in communion with another entity, very seriously. Although, I’ve only heard of certain instances where churches who were apparently out of communion with each other, still communing with each other. Put it this way: I was told by an Orthodox friend of mine, if I was to go into Orthodoxy, I’d get a full chrismation, and not a partial one. I think he only got the partial one, despite being lutheran. I’d have to double check with him. I did have another friend at the Orthodox parish, who recently moved to Orthodoxy say she, herself, received a full chrismation (I think, and caravadossi, and other Orthodox brethren can correct me) because of being a schismatic.

I’ve never heard of a “full” or “partial” Chrismation. I would assume you’d get the full thing no matter what.