Orthodox or liberal?

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Southernrich:
You haven’t the slightest idea of what you’re talking about.

I myself am politically liberal in that I oppose unilateral military action by the United States, I do not believe in isolationism, I oppose the use of the death penalty in all cases, I favor free markets, I believe in labor unions, and I believe that the government has a rightful place in assuring the good of the general public, but it should not erode our Constitutional rights as the Patriot Acts could do…

I am, however, absolutely a Papal loyalist, totally orthodox in my religious beliefs.

So, Mandi love, one can be both Liberal and Catholic.
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Southernrich:
You haven’t the slightest idea of what you’re talking about.

So, Mandi love, one can be both Liberal and Catholic.
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Why is this so hard for you to understand :banghead: Politics aside - in loose terms a liberal is someone who thinks for themselves. A Catholic follows the Church - picking and choosing is not an option. So… you either think for yourself or you follow the Church. You don’t do both! This is what makes it an oxymoron!

And I for one am done with this stupid conversation!

So may God bless and I hope in the long run you turn out to be just plain Catholic!
 
Ones personal politics and faith go HAND IN HAND…one CANNOT in good conscience NOT bring their faith into shaping their politics… is the point I am making… to think you can be a Catholic in good standing and promote extreme liberal viewpoints such as abortion, homosexual rights, etc… at the same time is wrong…so yeah…I am FULLY aware and that is my intent…to MIX my religion with my politics. :cool:
 
Mandi, of course a liberal thinks for him/herself, just as a conservative thinks for him/herself. Being Catholic does NOT mean you turn off your brain function and follow lockstep like a robot. We are all called to obedience, yes, but we are also called to prudence and temperance, neither of which you’ve shown in your outbursts against gentle people who are only expressing an opinion. Please show the rest of us the courtesy of respect and diginified discourse, or this thread will just become a loud, clanging bell of an argument.
 
Faithful 2 Rome:
Ones personal politics and faith go HAND IN HAND
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Not so. I’m orthodox religiously and liberal politically. One could just as well be a political conservative and follow the St. Pius X Society - heterodox religiously.
to think you can be a Catholic in good standing and promote extreme liberal viewpoints such as abortion, homosexual rights, etc… at the same time is wrong
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A strawman argument. No one suggested that you could be a Catholic and promote extreme liberal political policies.
 
OK Southernrich, if I am following you correctly you would not then call yourself a “liberal Catholic” would you?
 
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martino:
OK Southernrich, if I am following you correctly you would not then call yourself a “liberal Catholic” would you?
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A liberal and a Catholic would be right. Your term is prone to the misunderstanding Mandi had.
 
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Southernrich:
Why don’t you just say, “Orthodox means loving God, liberal means urinating on the Host”? Your prejudice is showing.
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Actually orthodox is a Greek word that means authority.
 
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Southernrich:
Maybe you haven’t heard, but there ARE some Catholic married priests in the Roman Rite, and it is permissible in the Eastern Rite.
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But the introduction of married priests into the LATIN rite would be contrary to a tradition that goes back at least a thousand years. It would be like eliminating Latin from the liturgy, and thos eof us who has seen what happened with that reform are leery of any more such changes.
 
Oh, dear …can’t we cut Tom of Assisi a break here? Not everyone is a scholar, to be sure. But as many people in my world speak English as a second language, I guess my policy has been:

*If you know what someone means, just respond. It is not necessary to correct every little detail. *

Yes, some intermediary choices would have been better.
 
I’m almost reluctant to say that I have a slight problem with the married priest criterion being in there. First, let me state that I think the Church is correct to resist a change, and that I much prefer the discipline of Celibacy. However, I do know solid Catholics who - while accpeting the Church’s decision - personally would prefer married priests.

Any discipline is by nature not a dogmatic position. There may be legitimate discussion on the topic. By legitimate, I mean not divisive in approach, like the petition of priests in the Milwaukee diocese…

I mean, if the next Pope wanted to change the discipline, would it shake anyone’s faith? I sure hope not.

Also, I think being a good Catholic often means there is an intertwining of liberal and conservative politics. I am against abortion and euthenasia and cloning = conservative. I am against the death penalty = liberal (just speaking of what people generally label it. I am aware of the DNC’s official position, so please keep your hat on). While I definitely lean more conservative, I could see someone being very conservative socially, but liberal on economics and be a devout Catholic.
 
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Southernrich:
A liberal and a Catholic would be right. Your term is prone to the misunderstanding Mandi had.
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Yes it is prone to misunderstanding which is why I was assuming you wouldnt use such a phrase.

Mandi’s problem is with someone that would actually call themselves a “liberal Catholic”, which as you, me and Mandi all agree is not a valid phrase.

Si o no?😃
 
Perhaps I will be the lone liberal though I do not agree with all the liberal issues. I mean there is a difference married priests and abortion. Not only should there be married Catholic priests but there ARE thousands of married Catholic priests, both Eastern Catholics (which is my father’s side) and converts from Anglicanism in the Latin church.

But what about us left-wing, tree hugging, vegetarian, bra-burning lesbians who do pray and confess regularly?

Maybe we should try this poll:

Are you conservative/orthodox Catholic
or
Educated?

Perhaps an issue-by-issue poll would be better.

Oh, and the etymology of Orthodox is: right opinion

Therefore everyone obviously believes they are orthodox, otherwise they wouldn’t hold the opinions they hold…unless you are Soren Kierkegaard and think you can hold a belief you know to be wrong.

As for me, I am a Liberal Catholic, like it or not. I gladly join the ranks of such famous Liberal Catholics as Thomas Aquinas, Thomas More, John Henry Cardinal Newman, Lord Acton, Johann Adam Mohler, Karl Rahner, Edward Schillibeeckxs, Marie-Dominique Chenu, Henri de Lubac, Yves Congar, Theodor Klauser, Josef Jungmann and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.
 
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Ourladyguadalup:
Oh, dear …can’t we cut Tom of Assisi a break here? Not everyone is a scholar, to be sure. But as many people in my world speak English as a second language, I guess my policy has been:

*If you know what someone means, just respond. It is not necessary to correct every little detail. *
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:amen:
 
Why don’t we all just forget all the other labels, and try to be FAITHFUL Catholics, the kind that obey the Magisterium in all things.
 
After reading all the posts and replys by the originator I wish I wouldn’t have replied…In Christian charity I will not say what my heart holds for the person that started this post…Trying to be a nice guy…
Love Ya All,
Mike
 
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cmom:
Why don’t we all just forget all the other labels, and try to be FAITHFUL Catholics, the kind that obey the Magisterium in all things.
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Because obedience doesn’t breed progress. If Aquinas had not ventured into the Aristotelean realm Catholicism would be very different today. If the Pope didn’t listen to St. Catherine of Siena the Papacy would still be in Avignon.

Ultramontanism and clericalism still rule Catholicism but they are not the only possible expression of the Church.
 
Question for Amarischuk: Being an admitted liberal Catholic, are you obedient to the Magisterium in all matters of faith and morals?
 
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