Orthodox to Catholic

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It’s kinda irrelevant what Rite you are received in because a Catholic is a Catholic and we may worship with an Eastern or Western (or both? not recommended though) spirituality. For example, I’m a Latin Catholic, but if I had access to an Eastern Catholic parish, I could worship there regardless of the fact that I was Baptized Latin.
 
It’s kinda irrelevant what Rite you are received in because a Catholic is a Catholic and we may worship with an Eastern or Western (or both? not recommended though) spirituality. For example, I’m a Latin Catholic, but if I had access to an Eastern Catholic parish, I could worship there regardless of the fact that I was Baptized Latin.
i agree that this is largely irrelevant and it something most people don’t have to worry about. i also am canonically latin and i in fact do attend a byzantine rite church, and no one cares. there is no real reason for me to bother anyone with canonical paperwork because it does not affect me in any way in practice and there is no clearly foreseeable reason that it ever should. [are there any canons saying i can’t be given a byzantine burial? that WOULD be a reason!]

BUT…it becomes relevant at the most inconvenient times! let us say, for instance, you get married and after you are married you finally find that UGCC parish you always dreamed of. you have a son who is baptized in the UGCC. the child is raised in the UGCC and is so enamored of the UGCC that he wants to be ordained in the UGCC. the week before his ordination ceremony is a VERY INCONVENIENT time to find out that canonically he belongs to the latin rite because no one ever bothered with paperwork. if someone had kept it in the back of their mind, the paperwork could have been filed when he entered seminary and would have been taken care of in plenty of time for him to have been ordained.

so as long as you keep it in mind, it can be a minor inconvenience and not a serious one, should the occasion ever arise where canonical jurisdiction actually matters.

the other thing that could solve this would be to just do away with the canons. nevertheless, i could be wrong, i suspect though that in some way these canons are actually meant to protect the integrity of the eastern catholic jurisdictions by not automatically absorbing their members into the latin rite when they find themselves outside the direct care of their home church. this at least seems to be the practical effect.

in the peace of christ
 
I’m sorry, I forgot the most important piece in this whole thing:

:extrahappy: WELCOME HOME!!! :extrahappy:
 
When I became Orthodox, I had to call and ask the church I was baptized in for a baptismal certificate to be sent to me. I would assume the same would apply for Orthodox Christians wishing to become Catholic.
Careful about making assumptions. Remember what they say when we assume?

It isn’t exactly commensurate or reciprocal. The particular nation-state church you joined happened to accept Roman baptisms, apparently. Mileage varies - my best friend in college was re-baptized altogether having been convinced by a Russian priest that his Catholic sacraments were graceless.
 
Careful about making assumptions. Remember what they say when we assume?

It isn’t exactly commensurate or reciprocal. The particular nation-state church you joined happened to accept Roman baptisms, apparently. Mileage varies - my best friend in college was re-baptized altogether having been convinced by a Russian priest that his Catholic sacraments were graceless.
And what is the point in posting this? It has nothing to do with this topic whatsoever. Are you just trying to stir the pot? http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif

My point was to clarify to the OP that I had to go out of my way to call the church I was baptized in as a child to get a baptismal certificate from their records because one was not given to me or my parents, and that she might have to do the same thing since she was not given one either.
 
And what is the point in posting this? It has nothing to do with this topic whatsoever. Are you just trying to stir the pot? http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif

My point was to clarify to the OP that I had to go out of my way to call the church I was baptized in as a child to get a baptismal certificate from their records because one was not given to me or my parents, and that she might have to do the same thing since she was not given one either.
No more than you were trying to stir the pot in telling someone entering the Catholic Church how you left it. I was making mention of the fact that it isn’t necessarily analagous - when my friend in college and I decided to enter into Orthodoxy, the OCA priest I approached said simple chrismation would do, I was just to get my records… The ROCOR priest he went through didn’t bother, he baptized him anew with no reference to his baptism as a Catholic.
Simple,

I dare say this could be classified as a drive-by posting. http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif
Peter,

I dare say if it is pulled out of context and focused on in such a way, you could easily make it seem that way. http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif
 
No more than you were trying to stir the pot in telling someone entering the Catholic Church how you left it. I was making mention of the fact that it isn’t necessarily analagous - when my friend in college and I decided to enter into Orthodoxy, the OCA priest I approached said simple chrismation would do, I was just to get my records… The ROCOR priest he went through didn’t bother, he baptized him anew with no reference to his baptism as a Catholic.

Peter,

I dare say if it is pulled out of context and focused on in such a way, you could easily make it seem that way. http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif
Nice try, but I don’t buy it.
 
Nice try, but I don’t buy it.
There is no “try” there just is. Buy what you like. Although you didn’t really ask anything, more or less just observed, I offered a counter observation, it is what it is, that is that.

Just another observation to put out there: Lately you seem to have a special focus on me and critiquing my comments (so be it) always worth considering is a maxim my father used to offer:
When you don’t like someone, even how they hold their fork annoys you. When you love them, you find it charming when they lick their plates like a puppy.
Spend enough time critiquing any one person, I suppose something objectionable can always be found.
 
No more than you were trying to stir the pot in telling someone entering the Catholic Church how you left it. I was making mention of the fact that it isn’t necessarily analagous - when my friend in college and I decided to enter into Orthodoxy, the OCA priest I approached said simple chrismation would do, I was just to get my records… The ROCOR priest he went through didn’t bother, he baptized him anew with no reference to his baptism as a Catholic.
I am sorry you misunderstood my post and my intentions (again). I was pointing out the fact that the church the OP was baptized in would have records of it, and she would most likely be able to call to obtain said records. Whether Church A accepts the baptism of Church B is only an issue because you have chosen to make it one.
 
I am sorry you misunderstood my post and my intentions (again). I was pointing out the fact that the church the OP was baptized in would have records of it, and she would most likely be able to call to obtain said records. Whether Church A accepts the baptism of Church B is only an issue because you have chosen to make it one.
I am sorry you misunderstood my post again… But for the record now I understand that you were just using your situation of leaving the Catholic Church to show how records can be found. Very good then. Now it will only remain an issue if you so choose.
Thank you.
Anytime bro!
 
Monica, you can become a Latin Catholic if you so desire. While it is true that an Eastern Orthodox Christian who seeks to convert to the Catholic Church would be instructed to “enroll” (for lack of a better term) in an Eastern (Byzantine) Catholic Church, it isn’t required. You state that you feel most at home in the Latin Church. Well, welcome home!
When an Orthodox Christian becomes Catholic (makes a profession of Faith) they are enrolled in its Catholic counterpart. NOT the LATIN Church. The only way you can become Latin (Roman) Catholic is by election, at the time of your wedding, or by petition.
Petition requires you write a letter to the bishop of the church you wish to enroll. If he approves, then your bishop must approve the transfer. Any priest that enrolls an Othodox Christian in the Latin Church violates canon law.
 
When an Orthodox Christian becomes Catholic (makes a profession of Faith) they are enrolled in its Catholic counterpart. NOT the LATIN Church. The only way you can become Latin (Roman) Catholic is by election, at the time of your wedding, or by petition.
Petition requires you write a letter to the bishop of the church you wish to enroll. If he approves, then your bishop must approve the transfer. Any priest that enrolls an Othodox Christian in the Latin Church violates canon law.
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Because you said you were Russian Orthodox, it helps the matter.

As i remember, there are no russian bishops, so the bishops for Russian Catholics are the exact same as the Latin ones
 
So is the converse true also? Can a former Protestant convert to Catholicism join an Eastern-rite church or is s/he forced to join the Latin one?
My Greek Catholic pastor has chrismated quite a few Protestants, bringing them into the Church via the East. It’s against Roman Canon Law, but neither Protestants nor Eastern Catholics are bound by Roman Canon Law (so the only practical effect of that canon is that Eastern Orthodox do not become Roman Rite simply by profession of Catholicism). I don’t know what the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches says, but if it forbids it then I’m going to quietly forget to tell my pastor that. 🙂
 
It’s kinda irrelevant what Rite you are received in because a Catholic is a Catholic and we may worship with an Eastern or Western (or both? not recommended though) spirituality. For example, I’m a Latin Catholic, but if I had access to an Eastern Catholic parish, I could worship there regardless of the fact that I was Baptized Latin.
Anyone can worship and participate fully in any Catholic church of any rite. It’s an issue though because Eastern Catholics are subject to a much more stringent discipline than Roman Catholics are (much higher standards of fasting, many more fast days, many more holy days of obligation). If someone is received into the Church as an Eastern Catholic, he would have commited a mortal sin by eating an egg or drinking a glass of milk on the monday before your “Ash Wednesday” this year, which wouldn’t have been a sin at all as a Roman Catholic.
 
… but if it forbids it then I’m going to quietly forget to tell my pastor that. 🙂
I can assure you, he already knows. Eastern Catholic priests (and bishops) fly under the radar much of the time. But my guess is he actually does the formalities and gets permission from the local Latin bishop routinely, perhaps by fax or phone call.

He might not even mention it to the convert, because it is kind of embarrassing and pointless. But it is according to the canons.

For their part Latin Catholic priests have been sucking up the Eastern Catholic populations at an alarming rate, often not even knowing enough to give communion to EC small children and if that is the case probably not recording the individuals properly in the parish records either.
 
I can assure you, he already knows. Eastern Catholic priests (and bishops) fly under the radar much of the time. But my guess is he actually does the formalities and gets permission from the local Latin bishop routinely, perhaps by fax or phone call.

He might not even mention it to the convert, because it is kind of embarrassing and pointless. But it is according to the canons.

For their part Latin Catholic priests have been sucking up the Eastern Catholic populations at an alarming rate, often not even knowing enough to give communion to EC small children and if that is the case probably not recording the individuals properly in the parish records either.
Correct…and if Cecilianus’ pastor is receiving them without the proper permissions, that does NOT make them Eastern Catholics…they would still be Roman Catholics just received in an Eastern church, just as if an Eastern Catholic priest baptizes the baby of a Roman Catholic couple…the baby is still a Roman Catholic.
 
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