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Mickey said:
I do not know. Are they?
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Do the EO CHurches accept Catholic Sacraments as Valid? DO you teach that we have a valid preisthood and valid apostolic succession? If I convert to an Orthodox Church, what happens?
 
Mickey said:
You will usually not get an answer. Holy Orthodoxy knows that Her sacraments are valid. She does not comment much further beyond that.
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Ok.

SO if I convert, am I rebaptised? Re-confirmed? How about those issues?

Further, would all of the Orthodox Chuches agree? I remember on another thread that some of the Orthodox do teach that we are heretical and do not possess valid stuff.
 
ralphinal said:
SO if I convert, am I rebaptised? Re-confirmed? How about those issues?
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These issues would depend on your spiritual Father–not anonymous Mickey on an internet forum. 😃
ralphinal said:
I remember on another thread that some of the Orthodox do teach that we are heretical and do not possess valid stuff.
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I suppose you could find different opinions
 
By “accept” do you mean participate in, or accept the validity of, or both?
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The answer is: It depends.
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As for participation, Orthodox Christians are not permitted (by the Orthodox Church) to partake in Roman Catholic sacraments.
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A Catholic baptism is usually accepted by the Orthodox Church (though there is difference of opinion here) if someone wants to be chrismated into the Orthodox Church or married to an Orthodox Christian.
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If an Orthodox Christian gets married in a Catholic church, he/she cannot partake of the sacraments in an Orthodox Church until he/she returns to the Orthodox Church by confession. In order for children of the marriage to be baptized in an Orthodox Church, the marriage would have to be blessed (this is a ceremony) by an Orthodox priest.
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Catholic priests cannot serve in Orthodox Churches, nor administer sacraments to Orthodox Christians (though in dire circumstances, allowances are given). If a Catholic priest wants to become an Orthodox priest, he has to become an Orthodox layperson first, then ordained in the Orthodox Church.
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In general, the sacraments of the Orthodox Church (the preferred term is “mysteries”) are not interchangeable with those of the Catholic Church, in the view of the Orthodox. The Catholics might look at it differently.
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answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080511215628AApzH6o
 
Mickey said:
Your source proves nothing. I am avoiding nothing.

Rome was still Orthodox during the Council of Chalcedon.
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My source, cited from the Council of Chalcedon, proves the supremacy of the Roman Pontiff.

I see you prefer to simply make hollow accusations without any valid arguments.

Pride is a deadly sin.

pace e bene
 
Peter_J said:
Hi dzheremi,

It’s been awhile since I visited the Eastern Catholicism Forum, so I can neither confirm nor contradict that statement (the one I highlighted). But supposing it’s true, why do you think that would be? Are there some who regard EOs as “Eastern Catholic”?
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I’m not sure, but if I had to guess I would say that most Western people probably look at both groups, see that they’re both Eastern and hence have a lot in common in tradition and practice (e.g., same liturgical languages) and figure that the Eastern Catholics would know more about the EO than Western Catholics. I don’t think anyone would regard EO as Eastern Catholic…if anything, perhaps the other way around, as I have noticed even some Eastern Catholic posters write things about how they cannot be “truly” Eastern while in union with Rome. 😦
 
Shlomey said:
My source, cited from the Council of Chalcedon, proves the supremacy of the Roman Pontiff.
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It certainly does not. It shows that the bishop of Rome had a primacy of honor, being the bishop of the capital city of Christianity at time when Rome was Orthodox.
Shlomey said:
I see you prefer to simply make hollow accusations without any valid arguments.
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Your insults to not harm me.
Shlomey said:
Pride is a deadly sin.
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Indeed.
 
ralphinal said:
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If I convert to an Orthodox Church, what happens?
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I am a convert to the Orthodox Church (from the Catholic Church) and I can tell you that receiving the Holy Eucharist in the Orthodox Church is so much more fulfilling. I don’t know why…perhaps because we undergo such preparation before receiving? I couldn’t tell you exactly. I just know that, “Ain’t nothing like the real thing!”

The Orthodox Churches role is to pastor it’s own flock, not to officially say one way or another if the Mysteries are valid in another Church which has separated itself from Orthodoxy. Some have opinions that the Eucharist is real and some say it is not in the Catholic Church. I like to think positively, so I assume it is.

But like I said, ever since receiving Holy Eucharist in the Orthodox Church…it’s a totally different more meaningful experience. I actually really liked being “Catholic” lots of Catholic friends, etc. so personally, I let myself fall after becoming Orthodox and I attended Confession and received Holy Eucharist in a Roman Catholic Church about a year ago and I can tell you I ran back to Orthodoxy!!!

Luckily, my spiritual father had mercy on me and after a huge lecture forgave me. This is a mistake I will never make again. This I know.

What I am not able to express is why or how receiving Holy Eucharist is different in Orthodoxy as compared to the Catholic Church, I just know that, “Ain’t nothing like the real thing” And the real thing I’ve only found in Orthodoxy.

I’d encourage you to join Orthodoxy and receive the Mysteries…then perhaps you will be able to explain clearly what I am not able to express.
 
StMarina303ad said:
I am a convert to the Orthodox Church (from the Catholic Church) and I can tell you that receiving the Holy Eucharist in the Orthodox Church is so much more fulfilling. I don’t know why…perhaps because we undergo such preparation before receiving? I couldn’t tell you exactly. I just know that, “Ain’t nothing like the real thing!”

The Orthodox Churches role is to pastor it’s own flock, not to officially say one way or another if the Mysteries are valid in another Church which has separated itself from Orthodoxy. Some have opinions that the Eucharist is real and some say it is not in the Catholic Church. I like to think positively, so I assume it is.

But like I said, ever since receiving Holy Eucharist in the Orthodox Church…it’s a totally different more meaningful experience. I actually really liked being “Catholic” lots of Catholic friends, etc. so personally, I let myself fall after becoming Orthodox and I attended Confession and received Holy Eucharist in a Roman Catholic Church about a year ago and I can tell you I ran back to Orthodoxy!!!

Luckily, my spiritual father had mercy on me and after a huge lecture forgave me. This is a mistake I will never make again. This I know.

What I am not able to express is why or how receiving Holy Eucharist is different in Orthodoxy as compared to the Catholic Church, I just know that, “Ain’t nothing like the real thing” And the real thing I’ve only found in Orthodoxy.

I’d encourage you to join Orthodoxy and receive the Mysteries…then perhaps you will be able to explain clearly what I am not able to express.
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I appriciate your experiance. I am glad that you found in Orthodoxy what you could not find in Catholicism. However, at this time, in order for me to change from Rome to anywhere else I would be going against my intellect, my conscience, and my soul.
 
bpbasilphx said:
I don’t think it’s realistic to expect the next Bishop of Rome to be elected from the Orthodox Church,…
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Duuude. It was a joke. Please tell me you did’nt take Swift’s “Modest Preposal” seriously too. My comment was in that exact vain.
 
🙂 Welcome minamagdy our new Arabic fellow to CAF,

Could you please till us what the status of the priest Zakaria Botros in Egypt, because some Islamic clerics keep saying that he was fired from the Orthodox Church, is that true?
 
Sam_777 said:
🙂 Welcome minamagdy our new Arabic fellow to CAF,

Could you please till us what the status of the priest Zakaria Botros in Egypt, because some Islamic clerics keep saying that he was fired from the Orthodox Church, is that true?
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isn’t he Coptic? now, knowing what hardships Christians face in Egypt, i can understand why such decision might be taken, if it is true.

To Minamagdy, salam al Masih with you. As i see it the whole issue is political, let theologians/historians deal with it. i had Orthodox friends for a long time before i knew they are not Catholic…the main difference i see is the Papacy…the Filioque as i understand it is a matter of semantics. Welcome to the forum:)
 
:eek: !!!

Sam, do you have some information you can share about this in this thread from English sources, if there are any? (My Arabic is not so good yet…)

I hope this is not true! Father Butros is a very good man, I think. He is very inspiring with love of God and a sharp mind. This would really make me sad, even though I am not Orthodox. Let us pray that those clerics are wrong!
 
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