Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

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Enjoyed Charles Krauthammer’s article today about the death of Osama, and the debate going forward from here.

“Can’t Wait For Evil To Die Of Natural Causes”

investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/571249/201105051901/Cant-Wait-For-Evil-To-Die-Of-Natural-Causes.htm

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Including, bin Laden’s execution. It’s clear there was no intention of capturing him. And for good reason. Doing so would have been insane, gratuitously granting him a second life of immense publicity on a worldwide stage from which to propagandize.
We came to kill. That is what you do in war. Do that in police work — and you’ve committed murder. The Navy SEALs who pulled the fateful trigger would be facing charges, not receiving medals.
You want to say we’ve now won the war? Fine. It’s at least an arguable proposition. After all, the war on terror will end one day, and we will return to policing the odd terrorist nutcase. I would argue, however, that while bin Laden’s death marks an extremely important inflection point in the fight against jihadism, it’s far too early to declare victory.
Now, it is one thing to have an argument about whether it’s over. It’s quite another to claim that our reaching this happy day — during which we can even be debating whether victory has been achieved — has nothing to do with the war on terror of the previous decade.
Al-Qaida is not subsiding on its own. It is not retiring from the field, having seen the error of its ways. It is not disappearing because of some inexorable law of history or nature. It is in retreat because of the terrible defeats it suffered once America decided to take up arms against it, a campaign known as the war on terror.
 
Alternatively, Iran uses a tubby ship to carry a few Scud missiles (or super Scud’s) to a location a hundred miles off the coast of the USA. The missiles are launched straight up and 100 miles up, the nukes (courtesy of Pakistan) are detonated creating an ElectroMagnetic Pulse, frying all electronics out to the visual horizon. Plunging the United States back to the 1870’s.

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It makes for a good episode of 24, but it’s pure Alex Jones.

Besides, ever hear of Faraday cages? Nearly all power plants in all major US cities have their vital components protected by them.
 
I agree with Krauthhammer to a point. America has been playing in this war of/on terror for 10 years. Israel has been at it for 40 years. Since the 72 Olympics they have had a policy of whacking terrorist leaders. It hasn’t stopped the kamikazes. The only thing that has slowed it down was the wall and check points. There always seems to be a new generation of kamikazes albeit a minority in the Arab world every year. In desperation to replenish their ranks terrorist are allowing female kamikazes but the point is it will not stop. Case in point is Iraq. Even drawing down US troop strength limiting roles to advisory and training turning governance over to the Iraqis with their own freely elected government they still are blowing themselves up. Killing each other, why?

Nothing will change in my opinion, until those States and we know who they are put through he crucible of war defeated and regimes changed. Pretty sad prospect, but no sense in kidding ourselves. Even if we abandon Israel and the Arabs succeed in doing what they vow to do we will not have peaceful co-existence. They will always find some reason to blow something up if not here in Europe. They will always have some allege grievance.
 
There is plenty of time to construct a lead-lined room somewhere in Manhattan … and then smuggle in bits and pieces and reassemble the “device” in the lead lined room.

No missiles. Nothing traceable. Nothing detectable.

October Surprise.

[of course, if we expect it … then we can take some anticipatory actions, if you know what I mean.]

Alternatively, Iran uses a tubby ship to carry a few Scud missiles (or super Scud’s) to a location a hundred miles off the coast of the USA. The missiles are launched straight up and 100 miles up, the nukes (courtesy of Pakistan) are detonated creating an ElectroMagnetic Pulse, frying all electronics out to the visual horizon. Plunging the United States back to the 1870’s.

Do that off the East, West and Gulf coasts …

The Iranians have already practiced making those launches.

All they need are a few warheads.

North Korea? [rumored to be working on an EMP warhead] Pakistan? [They do chit chat, don’t they]

EMP is the biggest fear of the folks in the know.

Congress even has a committee on the subject.

Look it up.

Or … consult an expert … ask Vince Flynn.
You should write a novel!😉

I don’t think a ship leaves an Iranian port without the US knowing everything in and on it.
 
It makes for a good episode of 24, but it’s pure Alex Jones.

Besides, ever hear of Faraday cages? Nearly all power plants in all major US cities have their vital components protected by them.
Power plants do, but what about all the other electronic devices? Everything from your cell phone to your Ipad to your car ignition is fried. The computers that control the power grid?

The only thing I have that I can drive is my 1961 IH Scout, solid state ignition with points - no delicate electronics.
 
You should write a novel!😉

I don’t think a ship leaves an Iranian port without the US knowing everything in and on it.
They don’t need to depart from an Iranian port.

They could even assemble the collection at sea with components from all different places.

Start up a bunch of shell corporations … little ship repair and painting contractors … get together in some neutral venue. Maybe some freight consolidators.

Some container ships carry six thousand containers …

Old Soviet cargo planes are available for cheap.

Up until last month, they could have used a Libyan submarine … my Peruvian friends claim that’s how the Sendero Luminoso [Shining Path] terrorists got their weapons smuggled in. [Hmmm… maybe that’s the REAL reason for the attacks on Libya … Hmmmm. ]

If you recall one of those novels … they put a nuke inside a soft drink machine. Tom Clancy.

Or that Ahnold Schwarzenegger movie where he flew the Harrier … and the terrorists had some nukes they smuggled into Florida. “I married Rambo” or whatever it was called.

Anyway, not so far fetched.

Gotta keep our “A” game going at all times.
 
They don’t need to depart from an Iranian port.

They could even assemble the collection at sea with components from all different places.

Start up a bunch of shell corporations … little ship repair and painting contractors … get together in some neutral venue.

Up until last month, they could have used a Libyan submarine … my Peruvian friends claim that’s how the Sendero Luminoso [Shining Path] terrorists got their weapons smuggled in. [Hmmm… maybe that’s the REAL reason for the attacks on Libya … Hmmmm. ]

If you recall one of those novels … they put a nuke inside a soft drink machine.

Anyway, not so far fetched.

Gotta keep our “A” game going at all times.
Agreed. Send it in a shipping container to China then have it shipped on a huge container ship to Oakland or Longbeach where it goes off. It’s not that hard.

markey.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2230&Itemid=242

The issue was identified in 2006 and has never been addressed.
 
Alternatively, Iran uses a tubby ship to carry a few Scud missiles (or super Scud’s) to a location a hundred miles off the coast of the USA. The missiles are launched straight up and 100 miles up, the nukes (courtesy of Pakistan) are detonated creating an ElectroMagnetic Pulse, frying all electronics out to the visual horizon. Plunging the United States back to the 1870’s.
It seems like every time they fire off one of their “Scuds”… it either blows up on it’s launch pad or misses it’s target completely. It’s laughable…! 🤷

You know… the Earth’s atmosphere is only a little more than 13 miles deep.

I don’t even see how Iran could ever launch a nuke warhead in anybody’s direction when we own the satalyte systems that support the GPS systems that are nessesary for missile guidance.

Here’s a laugh…

Imagine that Agdaminijhad ( Sp…? ) decides to launch a nuke twards, probably Isrial. Okay… We access the orbiting satalyte GPS system and switch the coordinates and turn the launched missile right back to it’s launch pad where it came from…!!! How do you like that scenerio…? It would all be to the applause of the entire civilized world…!!! I love it…!
👍
 
Yeah… but they can’t hit anything with those old obsolete misiles… can they…?! They can’t get parts for them either.
 
Nor do nuclear weapons require pin-point accuracy. If you aimed at Los Angeles and hit San Diego by mistake, it’s not like everyone would say “Whew! Dodged that one!”
 
News story: ISI and nukes and al Qaeda and Bin Laden.

washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/5/evidence-at-bin-ladens-home-raises-nuclear-concern/?page=1

Not good.

P.S. ONE of the reasons for such biggie nukes in the old days was that historically they were lucky to get within five miles of the target. So if you missed by five miles, the target was still wiped out.

You can research the C.E.P. … seems to me that back in the early days, they test dropped nukes from B-52s and didn’t do really well.

They got better eventually.

In some cases, they reduced the yield as accuracy improved. And then only used conventional (non-nuclear) payloads and in some cases even eliminated the explosive entirely.

Of course, in some cases the adversaries began to ultra-harden [my word] targets … so we had to return to use of nukes with a penetrating warhead.

The thing is that al Qaeda is engaged in asymmetric warfare. We have B-2 bombers; they have suicide guys with frequent flier miles and box cutters.

It is important for both the offense and the defense to think outside of the box.

Unfortunately, bureaucracies are not good at thinking outside the box.

[There is a writer named Marscinko or something like that. Was a SEAL. Did a lot of Hi-Lo jumps. He insisted his men tie their boots on with very tight laces so that the jump boots didn’t get torn off by the aerodynamic forces of the long free fall. He had the men TIE THE LACES WITH KNOTS … but they would have to later CUT the laces to get the boots off.

The bureaucrats wouldn’t let the SEALS have new laces. ]

Typical bureaucratic failure to think outside the box. REFUSAL to think outside the box.

Small item.

Same thing applies to choice of weapons, ammunition, amount of practice rounds needed to be fired to become proficient. Etc, etc etc.
 
Yeah… but they can’t hit anything with those old obsolete misiles… can they…?! They can’t get parts for them either.
Fire them straight up. No precision guidance required. Detonate at 100 miles altitude, more or less.
 
Julian Assange is nominated for 2011 Peace Prize. How dumb can it get?
Pardon the bluntness--------------------

But-----"Oh, h–l no!!!:eek:

And then what? Have Bradley Manning be temporarily let out of jail so he can introduce Assange at the awards ceremony?🤷
 
Well, our pastor spent a rambling 45 minute homily trying to tell us why we shouldn’t necessarily celebrate that evil mass murderers like bin Laden have been killed. Kind of implying that any action like the mission to kill him is tragically necessary but sad nonetheless.

As always, all I could think about was…Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about the ongoing holocaust of abortion? Over 3,000 INNOCENT babies were murdered just today, just in the US, and yet, we waste time and breath talking about a disgusting murderer like Osama bin Laden and worry that we might be celebrating a little too much about his death. Who spends time worrying that we might be celebrating IN SPITE of the fact that babies die, day in and day out, and what is done in the Church to stop it??? Other than priests like Fr. Frank Pavone, not very much that I can find.

:mad:

Still sending my tithe to the local pro-life coalition…I was thinking that I should put one of those LED counter things up in the church, so people could see how many babies are killed every minute … as if I’d be allowed…
 
Nor do nuclear weapons require pin-point accuracy. If you aimed at Los Angeles and hit San Diego by mistake, it’s not like everyone would say “Whew! Dodged that one!”
Horse shoes, hand grenades and thermo-nuclear warfare. Got it!
 
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