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WayCoolAtheist
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All federal felonies do.
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Scott_Lafrance
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It is all hearsay and I can promise you that the SEAL team members are sure as **** not going to rat on each other.
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mrS4ntA
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! For real this time!
Fun fact, the original premature declaration was also on May 1st!
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mrS4ntA
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“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
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mrS4ntA
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Was Osama a first-hand bomber? Did he fly the planes that hit on 9/11? By your logic, Osama should not have deserved the blame for 9/11, either, eh?
PS: I’m being sarcastic, BTW, if the medium did not carry the tone enough.
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mrS4ntA
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If history has taught us anything, that “angry mob” can profess any religion. Yes, even Christianity.
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mrS4ntA
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Most labs do not have a SINGLE lab dedicated to a SINGLE sample with ZERO backlog.
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Big_Ro
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The President is the Commander-in-Cheif of the military. It is IMHO a well settled fact that the commander bears the responsibility for actions carried out at his/her command. If you’ve ever watched an episode of the apprentice, you know this dynamic plays itself out for both good and bad, dependening on your vantage point. Where you stand on an issue depends on where you sit. I wonder if anyone would deny that Obama bears responsibility for this action had it gone bad. Say Jimmy Carter. I also believe that Presidents Bush and Clinton also deserve some credit for the work they did to kill/capture OBL.
I also think it’s essentially unfair to suggest that Bush took his eye off of OBL or stopped trying to hunt him down. Frmr, Rep. Harman (a Democrat) made the point last night on Lawrence O’Donnels show. He was trying to put forth the same line. I thought it was unfair. She stated clearly that the group that LOD said was abolished was reconsituted in the CIA. They moved offices and changed acronyms. I have many criticism of the last President, but credit is due.
I also think it’s essentially unfair to suggest that Bush took his eye off of OBL or stopped trying to hunt him down. Frmr, Rep. Harman (a Democrat) made the point last night on Lawrence O’Donnels show. He was trying to put forth the same line. I thought it was unfair. She stated clearly that the group that LOD said was abolished was reconsituted in the CIA. They moved offices and changed acronyms. I have many criticism of the last President, but credit is due.
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mrS4ntA
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The_Reginator
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Who is most in need of God’s mercy other than those who, as far as we know, die in a state of mortal sin?
It sure seems to me that they are most in need of God’s mercy!!
How can that possibly be wrong?
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Big_Ro
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One more thing. It cannot be possible that a soldier acting on a valid, legal, and ostensibly moral command can violate the law. The orders likely said kill/capture. The SEAL had to make a game time decision. I have to have confidence that he did what was right in the moment. You can second guess it all you like. It doesn’t change anything.
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CMatt25
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As I understand from having watched the WH press secretary’s press conference just a bit ago, the wife was not killed but shot in the leg. And true OBL was not armed.
As far as an election issue, perhaps if he had waited 17 mos. I heard of an overnight poll today showing the President’s approval rating jumped from 49 to well into the 50s. I forget if it was 56, 57, or 58% But the election is a year and half away.
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Big_Ro
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politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/geronimo_535a30aa-9a5b-4f77-a6a9-8dcc814984ea.html
Politico is reporting that the President did not see OBL getting got. There was a 20-25 minute period after the team entered the compound where they couldn’t tell what was going on. I am not surprised. It was dark. I would guess that there was a lot of noise, muzzle flashes, etc. So, perhaps, perhaps, we can say that the back and froth about the details of the mission some right, some apaprently wrong, may indeed be more about getting it wrong rather than constituting a falsehood.
I found it interesting that they used the code name Geronimo. Monday morning as I got ready for work I was trying to think of a historical paralleerl for the momentous incident. It’s a hobbyof mine. The capture and subsequent death of Geronimo came to mind. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
Politico is reporting that the President did not see OBL getting got. There was a 20-25 minute period after the team entered the compound where they couldn’t tell what was going on. I am not surprised. It was dark. I would guess that there was a lot of noise, muzzle flashes, etc. So, perhaps, perhaps, we can say that the back and froth about the details of the mission some right, some apaprently wrong, may indeed be more about getting it wrong rather than constituting a falsehood.
I found it interesting that they used the code name Geronimo. Monday morning as I got ready for work I was trying to think of a historical paralleerl for the momentous incident. It’s a hobbyof mine. The capture and subsequent death of Geronimo came to mind. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
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SamH
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There’s not a single aircraft carrier in the US fleet that has a DNA lab on board. Three days is amount of time I’ve found once a sample selected for testing it does not include backlog. Backlog can be months if not years.
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CMatt25
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Yes and part of me is hoping because of all of that, they did not know for certain he was unarmed until after they killed him.
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SamH
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Really? I thought it was nothing alike since Geronimo was taken alive.
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Abba
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Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus,
I just want to share my view on this situation also. It seems to me that people are rationalizing the statement made by the Vatican not to rejoice. It was not done as a political move. It was done because we are Catholics. It happens that if we behave as such it is good politically right now. As Catholics we do not rejoice at the death of any human being and we mourn with those who mourn - at the very least we behave respectfully.
Romans 12:15
Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn
I do not recall exactly where I was reading yesterday that the reporters in the middle east (oh, I think I just remembered - it was on NPR) could not get a reaction from the people in the Muslim countries. They said there was a great and strange silence and people were not talking.
Why the silence? I think is because they are mourning. But, they are not mourning the terrorist Bin Laden has been to the world, they are mourning what he represented to them. Their countries have been attacked and destroyed and continue to be attack and Bin Laden stood out for them as a leader. Now, that leader, that hopeless hope is dead, as American official watched what to them was an assassination/murder and his body was not given to them so that they will not built a shrine. Now, the question we need to address is: why would they build a shrine? This has nothing to do with Bin Laden who is dead, this has to do with the millions of people who saw him as a hopeless hope. Btw, they are offended by the American report that he used a woman as a shield. That to them is a on your face without showing the video. Why put vinegar on a wound?
It is not very intelligent to depict the Arabians. Mulsims, and those tribes inhabiting the regions around Israel, as bomb happy people. They did not attack first and they are human beings. I think that until we see them as the human beings that they are and respect their human dignity the problems will continue because in the end what they are doing is defending themselves; their land, religion, culture and way of life. The problems will continue until they are completely destroyed and their lands taken away from them and some left as herds for work and only having sticks and stones to defend themselves. There will be peace again when that situation is reached or there can also be peace by letting them be and working out a peace plan.
I think that rather than incite more hatred by rejoicing and being glad while others mourn, we as Catholics could pray for world peace. We should be planning a March for Peace to Washington, DC rather then rejoicing and celebrating in front of the White House while others mourn.
We need to exercise compassion. Consider how we would feel if our country was continuously bombed, millions of our children dead, our museums destroyed etc… and all this without setting foot in the enemies’ s country? Then one day a man attacks the enemies illegally. Let there be no question terrorism is a crime against humanity ti hurts the very fabric of civilization and creates chaos, insecurity and fear - it is a crime to terrorize humans. Wars are not fought that way. This is why Osama Bin Laden was a hopeless hope for the people whose cries he represented; because not much could be positively and legally achieved except for some illusive revenge. They want peace and they want Americans out of their countries and stop supporting Israel. We either work to attain peace or we work to annihilating these civilizations until they become as herds.
May the peace of Our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all as we pray for peace in the world,
Abba
There is one president that is still fighting the good fight for peace, human rights and justice for ALL. Mr. Jimmy Carter, in his own little small way has not given up the fight even though it seems hopeless, especially as the public is so misinformed about the reality of the situation. cartercenter.org/index.html
I just want to share my view on this situation also. It seems to me that people are rationalizing the statement made by the Vatican not to rejoice. It was not done as a political move. It was done because we are Catholics. It happens that if we behave as such it is good politically right now. As Catholics we do not rejoice at the death of any human being and we mourn with those who mourn - at the very least we behave respectfully.
Romans 12:15
Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn
I do not recall exactly where I was reading yesterday that the reporters in the middle east (oh, I think I just remembered - it was on NPR) could not get a reaction from the people in the Muslim countries. They said there was a great and strange silence and people were not talking.
Why the silence? I think is because they are mourning. But, they are not mourning the terrorist Bin Laden has been to the world, they are mourning what he represented to them. Their countries have been attacked and destroyed and continue to be attack and Bin Laden stood out for them as a leader. Now, that leader, that hopeless hope is dead, as American official watched what to them was an assassination/murder and his body was not given to them so that they will not built a shrine. Now, the question we need to address is: why would they build a shrine? This has nothing to do with Bin Laden who is dead, this has to do with the millions of people who saw him as a hopeless hope. Btw, they are offended by the American report that he used a woman as a shield. That to them is a on your face without showing the video. Why put vinegar on a wound?
It is not very intelligent to depict the Arabians. Mulsims, and those tribes inhabiting the regions around Israel, as bomb happy people. They did not attack first and they are human beings. I think that until we see them as the human beings that they are and respect their human dignity the problems will continue because in the end what they are doing is defending themselves; their land, religion, culture and way of life. The problems will continue until they are completely destroyed and their lands taken away from them and some left as herds for work and only having sticks and stones to defend themselves. There will be peace again when that situation is reached or there can also be peace by letting them be and working out a peace plan.
I think that rather than incite more hatred by rejoicing and being glad while others mourn, we as Catholics could pray for world peace. We should be planning a March for Peace to Washington, DC rather then rejoicing and celebrating in front of the White House while others mourn.
We need to exercise compassion. Consider how we would feel if our country was continuously bombed, millions of our children dead, our museums destroyed etc… and all this without setting foot in the enemies’ s country? Then one day a man attacks the enemies illegally. Let there be no question terrorism is a crime against humanity ti hurts the very fabric of civilization and creates chaos, insecurity and fear - it is a crime to terrorize humans. Wars are not fought that way. This is why Osama Bin Laden was a hopeless hope for the people whose cries he represented; because not much could be positively and legally achieved except for some illusive revenge. They want peace and they want Americans out of their countries and stop supporting Israel. We either work to attain peace or we work to annihilating these civilizations until they become as herds.
May the peace of Our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all as we pray for peace in the world,
Abba
There is one president that is still fighting the good fight for peace, human rights and justice for ALL. Mr. Jimmy Carter, in his own little small way has not given up the fight even though it seems hopeless, especially as the public is so misinformed about the reality of the situation. cartercenter.org/index.html
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Big_Ro
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Well, I didn’t say it was perfect Sammy.
It was the only example that came to mind. I think it was similar in that Geronimo captured the American imagination as a boogey-man much the same way that OBL did. The pursuit and capture of Geronimo was followed with rapt attention by the public at large. He was also an iconic figure for Native Americans for both good and bad reasons. He represented a culture and ostensibly religion that was very foreign and I dare say scary to most Americans. But, yes, you are right he was captured alive.
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Big_Ro
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Me too.
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SamH
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So why did they say they saw him with a gun and use his wife for a shield? You seem to agree that they didn’t tell the truth about what they saw.
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